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Re: Late game minesweeper

Tue, 05 May 2009 20:52

AlexTheGreat

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Altruist wrote on Tue, 05 May 2009 18:00

AlexTheGreat wrote on Tue, 05 May 2009 03:32

Is that generally considered an acceptable technique or not? I'd hate to use it if I'm likely to be called a cheat but if it's OK & others do it then .....

I'd consider it as cheating.

Micha wrote on Tue, 05 May 2009 09:00

But now that the beast is in the open...

An ugly beast, indeed. I've heard about it but never really realized the impact this ugly bug can have:
There are a lot of ship types which would usually blow up when hit by a standard minefield: mini bombers, b17, scouts, frigates... and thus one tends to act very carefully with such fleets because nobody likes to loose ALL bombers in a fleet plus ALL xports, scouts, chaff etc.

Is this all negated by this bug?

Perhaps, could anybody, please, give an example how mine-damage is alloacated in a fleet with
# 10 chaff (first design slot)
# 40 mini-bomber
# 55 destroyer

It's not as bad as that.

Assuming that we're talking about standard mines.

All chaff & MBs would be destroyed. The DDs would suffer 100dp damage each if no Ram Scoop engine in the FLEET & 125dp damage each otherwise. If the DDs are shielded then up to 50% of the damage would be soaked up by them.

So, in fact, the fleet would suffer excactly the same losses & damages regarless of the design order.

We're only talking about using 1 chaff to protect 1 more expensive ship. In that case the effect is that the chaff is lost but the more expensive ship is damaged as if it were a fleet of 5.

Take a DD sweeper with Ramscoop, weapon, Wolverine. If the race has RS then:
............... Damage to each Sweeper
Fleet ....... With Chaff . Without Chaff
1 Sweeper ...... 31% ........ 100%
2 Sweepers ..... 31% ........ 100%
3 Sweepers ..... 31% ......... 58%
4 Sweepers ..... 31% ......... 37%
5+ Sweepers .... 31% ......... 31%

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		Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: iztok on Sun, 03 May 2009 04:51
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: AlexTheGreat on Mon, 04 May 2009 21:32
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: gible on Mon, 04 May 2009 22:48
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: iztok on Tue, 05 May 2009 02:44
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: Micha on Tue, 05 May 2009 03:00
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: m.a@stars on Tue, 05 May 2009 04:56
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: Micha on Tue, 05 May 2009 07:03
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: AlexTheGreat on Tue, 05 May 2009 08:24
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: neilhoward on Tue, 05 May 2009 14:36
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: vonKreedon on Tue, 05 May 2009 14:51
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: mlaub on Tue, 05 May 2009 18:14
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: Altruist on Tue, 05 May 2009 18:00
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: gible on Tue, 05 May 2009 20:51
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: AlexTheGreat on Tue, 05 May 2009 20:52
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: iztok on Wed, 06 May 2009 02:01
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: AlexTheGreat on Wed, 06 May 2009 07:07
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: vonKreedon on Wed, 06 May 2009 10:24
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: mlaub on Wed, 06 May 2009 22:40
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: Bystander on Wed, 06 May 2009 13:25
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: GJScarritt on Wed, 06 May 2009 16:07
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: Bystander on Wed, 06 May 2009 18:25
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: iztok on Thu, 07 May 2009 02:29
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: AlexTheGreat on Wed, 06 May 2009 16:59
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: slimdrag00n on Tue, 05 May 2009 04:17
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: Eagle of Fire on Tue, 05 May 2009 20:23
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: Eagle of Fire on Wed, 06 May 2009 20:30
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: Bystander on Wed, 06 May 2009 22:30
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: mlaub on Wed, 06 May 2009 23:09
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: scottrick49 on Thu, 07 May 2009 09:14
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: vonKreedon on Thu, 07 May 2009 10:09
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: Micha on Thu, 07 May 2009 11:01
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: Alter Ego on Thu, 07 May 2009 11:30
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: Micha on Thu, 07 May 2009 17:00
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: vonKreedon on Thu, 07 May 2009 17:07
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: Micha on Fri, 08 May 2009 05:43
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: neilhoward on Thu, 07 May 2009 19:19
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: Ashlyn on Thu, 07 May 2009 20:47
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: iztok on Fri, 08 May 2009 03:16
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: livingdeadgirl on Fri, 12 February 2010 08:05
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: Eagle of Fire on Thu, 07 May 2009 12:51
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: Alter Ego on Thu, 07 May 2009 12:53
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: Alter Ego on Thu, 07 May 2009 12:56
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: Eagle of Fire on Thu, 07 May 2009 12:54
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: Eagle of Fire on Thu, 07 May 2009 14:38
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: Alter Ego on Thu, 07 May 2009 14:44
		Re: Late game minesweeper By: Eagle of Fire on Thu, 07 May 2009 16:18
		Topic split (Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature?) By: Micha on Fri, 08 May 2009 11:18
		Re: Topic split (Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature?) By: bigcanuknaz on Fri, 08 May 2009 22:45
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: Micha on Mon, 25 May 2009 09:51
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: m.a@stars on Mon, 01 June 2009 19:10
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: bigcanuknaz on Sun, 06 December 2009 15:40
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: vonKreedon on Mon, 07 December 2009 11:00
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: Dogthinkers on Thu, 14 January 2010 06:57
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: iztok on Fri, 15 January 2010 02:53
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: bigcanuknaz on Tue, 30 March 2010 18:06
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: iztok on Wed, 31 March 2010 02:25
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: slimdrag00n on Wed, 17 March 2010 20:32
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: gible on Thu, 18 March 2010 05:59
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: paul_ik on Thu, 18 March 2010 06:31
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: Micha on Thu, 18 March 2010 08:48
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: slimdrag00n on Thu, 18 March 2010 14:50
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: Micha on Thu, 18 March 2010 16:48
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: slimdrag00n on Thu, 18 March 2010 17:34
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: mlaub on Thu, 18 March 2010 21:16
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: Micha on Fri, 19 March 2010 03:03
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: iojho on Fri, 19 March 2010 03:41
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: Micha on Fri, 19 March 2010 05:04
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: paul_ik on Fri, 19 March 2010 05:43
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: Micha on Fri, 19 March 2010 09:02
		Re: Mine Damage Dodge - bug or feature? (split from: Late game minesweeper) By: XAPBob on Tue, 08 April 2014 10:13
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