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Re: Best way to make a -F IS

Wed, 01 August 2007 03:57

Soobie

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Dogthinkers wrote on Wed, 01 August 2007 14:40

... I'd definately take ISB, as I would with any -f. If you don't, it really hurts your early attacks, since your resources initially spread thinly over many worlds (as IS, later your worlds will individually be quite respectible, with a decent overpop.)

You don't need IFE, but it would be nice, as you'll be building lots of freighters - nice for them not to be engine-obselete too quick. But with the fuel transport, and probably with ISB, it's not critical.

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This is sooo completely true.

I've played a 20% -f IS with IFE and not ISB. By 2424 had 4 built out Space stations and about 8 gated orbital forts and a couple of dozen reasonably high pop worlds and a lot of FF coming out each year. It was in a duel of sorts but because of some quirks, while this race was doing very nicely, because of the game structure it was clear that in the long run I was going to lose. Unfortunately I had to quit before it played out but I'm fairly certain I was going to lose.

+IFE -ISB was a mistake. While IS-f can cope quite well without ISB, I should have taken ISB and not IFE. The sacrifice in numbers of early Croby FF to get those starbases PLUS the need to constantly move mins to a limited number of shipbuilding worlds PLUS having to hold too much pop too early for a -f on those worlds to justify the high production needed for so few worlds was clearly sacrificing late game potential.

Importantly, even though I had IFE and prop expensive, I had Prop @ 6 and was pushing towards Prop 9 and my Croby FFs tended to have DDL for battle board speed after some early problems with FM made me abandon that engine.

Compare this to the time I had -f 20% PGR, 1/900(!),3.0 cheap with ISB and no IFE with prop normal. By 2422 I had tech 7/8/9/8/1/4. With Prop 9 I was into my second generation crobys and LFs with TGFS with only a couple of dozen earlier DDL7 FFs for defence and only a few QJ5(I'm a scrooge!) LFs with about 300K pop for a starting orgy. I had 2 well-built space ...

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		Best way to make a -F IS By: Captain Maim on Tue, 31 July 2007 22:05
		Re: Best way to make a -F IS By: Dogthinkers on Wed, 01 August 2007 01:10
		Re: Best way to make a -F IS By: Captain Maim on Wed, 01 August 2007 02:31
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		Re: Best way to make a -F IS By: joseph on Wed, 01 August 2007 09:25
		Re: Best way to make a -F IS By: velvetthroat57 on Wed, 01 August 2007 10:50
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		Re: Best way to make a -F IS By: Captain Maim on Thu, 02 August 2007 01:37
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		Re: Best way to make a -F IS By: Skaffen on Sat, 04 August 2007 14:25
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		Re: Best way to make a -F IS By: velvetthroat57 on Sat, 04 August 2007 16:23
		Re: Best way to make a -F IS By: Soobie on Thu, 02 August 2007 21:23
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