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HW min conc of 30% quite likely Wed, 01 December 2004 14:54 Go to next message
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 I have just been exploring starting min concs for homeworlds and something strange is happening.

Plotting values from over 1000 HWs gives a fairly typical "bell shaped" distribution, from 37% up to 118%, with the most common values around the 70% to 80% mark.

However, out of the 3702 values (1234 planets * 3), 1118 had the value 30 (ie. minimum for a HW). That's almost a third of them!

Does anyone know why this is happening ?

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Re: HW min conc of 30% quite likely Wed, 01 December 2004 15:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 Stars! probably decides it randomly (1-100+) and then sets MCs to 30 if they are less then 30.

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Re: HW min conc of 30% quite likely Wed, 01 December 2004 15:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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LEit wrote on Wed, 01 December 2004 20:17

Stars! probably decides it randomly (1-100+) and then sets MCs to 30 if they are less then 30.


There are no values under 37%, apart from the huge stack of 30s.

In over 3000 values, there is nothing between 31% and 36% - is it likely that there a third of the values are under 30% ?

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Re: HW min conc of 30% quite likely Thu, 02 December 2004 01:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 That seems odd!
IIRC my current game had one of it's original values as 32, so I can't see how your results could be so skewed.
I didn't allocate any leftover points to increase the mineral concentrations, but perhaps you are doing this???
Sorry that's all I can come up with.

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Re: HW min conc of 30% quite likely Thu, 02 December 2004 04:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Steve1 wrote on Thu, 02 December 2004 06:29

That seems odd!
IIRC my current game had one of it's original values as 32, so I can't see how your results could be so skewed.
I didn't allocate any leftover points to increase the mineral concentrations, but perhaps you are doing this???
Sorry that's all I can come up with.


These results were generated with the "Humanoids" - the default starting values in the race wizard. This has 25 points left over, but allocated to surface minerals not mineral concentrations.

I'm not saying that values under 37% can't happen, just that they are rare and certainly can't account for 30% of all values.

Either my test is broken - and all I'm doing is repeatedly generating games from a def file, dumping the planet report and then filtering it into the results file - or Stars! randomly sets HW min concs to the minimum just to keep everyone on their toes Smile

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Re: HW min conc of 30% quite likely Thu, 02 December 2004 07:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 From Garaham Scarborough on r.g.c.s (what has happened to the layout of rgcs ?)

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All of the collected datasets generally followed the previously described profile of a flat 1% chance of a concentration occurring for values between 1 and 30, then a 'pyramid' shaped profile between 31 and 119 with the end points being (virtually) 0% chance and the peak at a concentration of 75 being a little over 1.5% chance.


This applies to all planets.
Hence the 30% chance of a HW conc being 30.
If it is less than 30 it is rounded up to 30 (don't know why they make it up to 30 though, no need really as it is a HW)

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Re: HW min conc of 30% quite likely Thu, 02 December 2004 07:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 Also, I read somewhere that AccBBS increases concs by 20%.

So say all concs from 1 to 30 are set to 30.
Then any conc at 31 or above gets an extra 20% added.
That would take a conc of 31 up to 37 with no chance of values in between.

Assuming you are using AccBBS.

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Re: HW min conc of 30% quite likely Thu, 02 December 2004 14:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 mazda is correct. In stars, go start new game, hit advanced button, then hit help on screen where AccBBS is listed, and pick help on AccBBS

According to help file, mineral concentrations are increased by 20%, plus "planets with poor mineral concentrations are improved a few % points".

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Re: HW min conc of 30% quite likely Thu, 02 December 2004 15:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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multilis wrote on Thu, 02 December 2004 20:04

According to help file, mineral concentrations are increased by 20%, plus "planets with poor mineral concentrations are improved a few % points".

Regarding my experiance the help is wrong with "improved a few % points". 've seen too many planets with conc 1 and AccBBS start. But it is consistent with 20% increase. If the game improves conc 1 by 20% then we'd get 1.2, and that still rounds down to 1. However that 20% increase just doesn't make sense for poor planets. The help-stated fixed amount would be much better for them.
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Re: HW min conc of 30% quite likely Fri, 03 December 2004 09:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mazda wrote on Thu, 02 December 2004 12:05

From Garaham Scarborough on r.g.c.s (what has happened to the layout of rgcs ?)

Quote:

All of the collected datasets generally followed the previously described profile of a flat 1% chance of a concentration occurring for values between 1 and 30, then a 'pyramid' shaped profile between 31 and 119 with the end points being (virtually) 0% chance and the peak at a concentration of 75 being a little over 1.5% chance.


This applies to all planets.
Hence the 30% chance of a HW conc being 30.
If it is less than 30 it is rounded up to 30 (don't know why they make it up to 30 though, no need really as it is a HW)


That explains it. Thanks for finding that rgcs reference - I looked but couldn't find anything.

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Re: HW min conc of 30% quite likely Sat, 04 December 2004 00:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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iztok wrote on Thu, 02 December 2004 21:09

Hi!
multilis wrote on Thu, 02 December 2004 20:04

According to help file, mineral concentrations are increased by 20%, plus "planets with poor mineral concentrations are improved a few % points".

Regarding my experiance the help is wrong with "improved a few % points". 've seen too many planets with conc 1 and AccBBS start. But it is consistent with 20% increase. If the game improves conc 1 by 20% then we'd get 1.2, and that still rounds down to 1. However that 20% increase just doesn't make sense for poor planets. The help-stated fixed amount would be much better for them.
BR, Iztok


Is this 20% added before or after the min conc is changed due to left over advantage points?

I would guess for before, because the "setting to 30" also happens before min conc is changed due to starting points.

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Re: HW min conc of 30% quite likely Sat, 04 December 2004 13:39 Go to previous message
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 Before.
Spending 40 points on min concs gets you 10, 10 and 30.
Not 12, 12 and 36.

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