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Re: Wammalammadingdong Mod

Mon, 21 March 2005 09:08

iztok

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Hi!

PricklyPear wrote on Mon, 21 March 2005 14:27

As a side note, I should mention that I forgot to change the CoH default ship. In the next revision, the starter CoH will only have 1 OA module.

You do hate CA, don't you? Wink

I did a testbed with the new CA. Just to note you, I couldn't find terra in items that can be build on CA planets.

Testbed race was fairly standard HG monster from hell:
CA
IFE, TT , OBRM, NAS, NRSE,
all three centered, 31 clicks from edges (1 in 14), 19%
1/1000
fac's: 12/9/16/3
mines: 10/3/17
weap and bio cheap, rest expensive and start@3.

With such a race I usualy hit 60+k at 2450 in tiny packed, but in your mod it had problem to hit 25k. Actually, I got 21k, 25 planets settled (not even all yelows - farthest 4 @ TT-15 and a 6% green remained unsettled), 56 OAs produced, hit TT-20 in the last turn, tech 3/3/9/8/3/17. There were three obstacles: 30 iron on HW, low germ on most "close" good planets, and not a single breeder (>75%) in the whole universe. I got "lucky" that the second best planet (45% at start) was prety close to HW, so in about 10 turns and with TT-10 I made it a 92% breeder.

General impression of the testbed: SLOW. It ramped up more slowly as any of my HP designs. No terra means even on developed planets to build Starbase first in order to build Orbital Adjusters, as big mass of them requires at least DLL-7 engine to move them around in reasonable time (you can forget to use FM for that - uses way too much fuel). And still it takes 5 turns for a CoH to pay for itself. That might be acceptable with yellow planets, but on a breeder with 500+ resources I would do regular terra, improve it in 2 turns and start exporting excess pop in 3. But in your mod I had to wait for a long time for the excessively expensive and heavy CoH to be build and to be moved there from the only planet with the starbase - HW. Until that happened race's growth came mostly from factories. Only when there was enough OAs to terra all old colonies (less than 180 LY far) to TT-15, then it began to ramp up with some speed.

I also had problem with moving pop. I had to build much more PVTs for that purpose, and resources for them were taken away from building OAs and researching better tech for moving pop (AD-8 or prop 9 and LF), and that again slowed the ramp-up. Looking back I realized that my PVTs moved to any farther (160+) location with warp 7. That means I'd fare better with taking prop normal and buying prop-5 for the first mover. Would help big time with moving CoHs too.

If I could suggest, I'd propose making Orbital Adjuster the same, as it was before you changed it. It is a problem moving them around, and they could easily become targets for a hostile neighbour. Or have OAs your way and give CA the ability to do normal terraforming. Either way I'm ready to do testing.
BR, Iztok

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		Re: Wammalammadingdong Mod By: mazda on Thu, 03 March 2005 07:25
		Re: Wammalammadingdong Mod By: PricklyPea on Thu, 03 March 2005 08:10
		Re: Wammalammadingdong Mod By: iztok on Thu, 03 March 2005 09:44
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