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Remote mining.... Do you? |
Tue, 24 June 2003 05:00 |
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Abaddon | | Crewman 1st Class | Messages: 25
Registered: May 2003 Location: London, England | |
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Is mining to remote for you?[ 28 votes ] |
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Yes I love to remote mine! |
7 / 25% |
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Waste of a lesser racial trait? |
9 / 32% |
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Just too much damn effort? |
3 / 11% |
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Its a waste of effort AND an LRT |
9 / 32% |
I love to remote mine! I love the thought of all those little robots slaving away on remote worlds to give me minerals for warships so I can kill! maim! destroy! Ha Ha, ahem, (cough cough)
Sorry, got carried away there....
Anyway, when designing races I like to save a few points on the habitability settings (always useful!) and sacrifice some of the mining settings to boost the factory settings. The upshoot of that is that while there are quite a few planets my dark hordes can't survive on I can always remote mine for what I need.
The lesser racial trait 'Advanced remote mining' is relatively cheap and saves so much manufacturing power and minerals I don't like to go without it but I'd like some other opinions on this matter.....
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Re: Remote mining.... Do you? |
Tue, 24 June 2003 09:58 |
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I always try to design so that I can intercolonise with people. No better way to secure an alliance! In that case, there isn't really much place for remote miners.
I am beginning to learn the importance of mining, thanks to my current MP games - maybe something I could go for?
Still, it's pretty much either/or - ARM or OBRM. Having neither just seems too expensive for those mining robots.
It'd be interesting if ARM & OBRM together would just take away the standard mining robots & hulls - kind of like IFE & NRSE takes away the Galaxy Scoop - leaving only the Midget Miner, Robo-Midget Miner, and Robo-Ultra-Miner.
What if one takes neither ARM or OBRM and takes BET instead? Does the miniturisation make those mining robots more affordable?
[Updated on: Tue, 24 June 2003 10:07]
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Re: Remote mining.... Do you? |
Tue, 24 June 2003 16:46 |
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Crusader | | Officer Cadet 2nd Year | Messages: 233
Registered: January 2003 Location: Dixie Land | |
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Oh my! What well-respected, sentient being doesn't like to remote mine?
Who the heck can design a competitive race that includes affordable remote mining?
Trade-offs! Trade-offs! It's all about trade-offs! (Hmmm, catchy tune there somewheres)
As I once't mentioned, one of my funnest games was playing a SS HP with ARM. If you can understand that sentence, then we both need to get a life! All those resources and minerals during the end game that I even gave the winning AR next door a really hard time. If the game had not shut down due to a loss of player and a replacement that did not understand me , I would have clearly won that game. (Clearly, a statement based on OPINION and not necessarily fact, but then I don't have a problem expressing, or showing, mine now do I?)
However, to be very fair, it is much easier to up the mine settings to a minimum of 10/3/15 and set the hab range wide and just create a HG fool of a planet colonizer. My problem is that I never like doing things the easy way.
That's just not the cowboy way!
With respectful, kind regards ...
The Crusader
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Re: Remote mining.... Do you? |
Wed, 25 June 2003 00:55 |
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zoid | | Ensign | Messages: 348
Registered: December 2002 Location: Murray, KY - USA | |
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I didn't see "sometimes" listed as an option, so I didn't vote.
I RARELY pass on the OBRM lrt, and I despise the OBRM miners, so I rarely remote mine. I never rule out remote mining at the beginning of race creation - I just can never afford it in the end. I only rule it out once I go into the game with an OBRM race. There's no way I'm going to invest all the minerals and resources required to produce a fleet of OBRM miners who will need roughly what? about 800 years to pay for theirselves? (Freestyle Math)
However, I took over a race created by someone else not long ago that had neither OBRM or ARM selected, and when I could build the best remote mining robots and the best mining hull, I did. I found them very useful for mineral extraction (I easily had far more minerals than the limited production of my planets could use) and the ships were highly valuable to some other players. Now I better understand the benefit of NOT taking OBRM. When building these monster-sized remote miners, one can fully appreciate the oft-ignored, cheapo radscoop engine.
ARM, on the other hand, is an LRT that I've never appreciated - except with the AR prt. It doesn't cost a lot, the miners are more efficient, smaller, and cheaper to build, but most importantly, you begin with two free miners. That in itself is a godsend for the poor AR, whose idea of remoteless mining seems to include the use of fingernails, or maybe blowing on the ground, then catching and sifting the dust that arises for mineral content.
I havn't checked the poll results yet, but I'm going to venture a guess and then check to see if the results support my belief. I'm guessing most people prefer HG and -f economic models, making the +10% pop capacity of OBRM attractive, the RW points (needed for habitat) gained from OBRM attractive, therefore reducing remote mining to a waste of effort, minerals and resources by most counts. ARM might be an attractive lrt, but most prefer the extra capacity and the points from OBRM, and you can't have both, so ARM is an extravagance that few think they can afford. If ARM was a free lrt gained only by not taking OBRM, my opinion is that more than a few players would probably still opt for OBRM instead. That certainly sums up my own sentiments, and I'm an HG player (albeit a lousy one).
I suspect HP's, on the other hand, are more evenly split on the issue of remote mining. My guess is that players who play AR's and HP economies will be the overwhelming majority of users who use remote mining. This is not me. But if I WERE an HP player, I wouldn't rule out remote mining.
As for that MT fella (HATTERSON!).... Grrrr! I don't even want to hear about the MT. The MT frees everyone of their PRT & LRT burdens, except for the HE. You don't see the MT handing out the "Super-Duper-Trans-Galactic-Ship-Whoosher" Any/Any Gate so the HE can overcome his sacrifices for a paltry 5k boranium, do ya? It's not fair and I hate him. Unfortunately, a game without random events seems like heresy. I stand alone on this one as the lone heretic, I'm convinced.
Editting - The following addition:
Okay, checked the count and it's 13 against and 5 for remote mining atm. I think that's an indication that maybe my opinion is right for once. Probably 1 or 2 who voted for will build remote miners even with OBRM selected, and the other 3-4 who play AR's and HP's. Whaddaya say, guys? You who voted for remote mining, want to tell me your favored economic model?
[Updated on: Wed, 25 June 2003 01:11]
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Re: Remote mining.... Do you? |
Wed, 25 June 2003 02:10 |
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Advanced Remote mining, imho, is generally a waste of resources -the main benefit it gives you is gateable miners, the increased efficiency of the bots isn't worth the cost, better to buy some planetary mines.
If I plan on remote mining, I generally will take neither OBRM or ARM. Usually I play races that are meant to be either winning or dead before remote mining begins to pay off in any case, but if I need an HP then I'll put it on the short list.
If you have the capability to remote mine then by all means do so. It may be more micromanagement, but if you're going to spend the RW points for it you'd better get to using them, you'll be more powerful for it.
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Re: Remote mining.... Do you? |
Wed, 25 June 2003 08:20 |
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Remote mining is OK sometimes but ARM is too costly so if I remote mine, it will be with neither ARM or OBRM checked. Now I have have on occasion taken an IT race with a narrow far shifted hab in a game with lots of planets per person, with the strategy of inter populated with just about everybody and buying my way into territory with miners/minerals. In the end I colonized virtually every planet in the galaxy that was good for me and once I had any/any gates started picking off the other races. It was amazing the amount of minerals I had to use. However, this strategy would not work frequently.
Basically, remote mining goes well with hab setting below 1 in 5 so you can get use of all the planets in your territory.
Paladin
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Re: Remote mining.... Do you? |
Wed, 25 June 2003 18:24 |
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boneandrew | | Crewman 1st Class | Messages: 35
Registered: June 2003 Location: Detroit | |
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I like to remote mine. It's the only place in the game where I can get mines that are recyclable - moving to fresh souces instead of having 'em stuck at that planet with all 1 concentrations.
Perhaps a lot of people don't like 'em because miners cost a LOT of ironium and a bit of germanium. And the reason most people really need hordes of minerals to build those missile ships. So, a lot of people just don't build miners to save some short-term ironium. But, a game example for me: a mini-miner hull with 2 maxi-miners, fuel mizer, and fuel pod costs 87kt iromium, and mines 17kt of ironium per turn from a planet with 49 concentration. This is 5.1 turns to pay it back - usually, I'm mining planets with a higher concentration than this if I can help it, and of course we all like to use those higher tech miners. After that, free minerals. In the long term, remote mining certainly does help out the mineral supply. It's better than colonizing those -4.5% worlds and waiting for the population to feebly squeeze the minerals out of the planet.
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Re: Remote mining.... Do you? |
Sun, 06 July 2003 12:53 |
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I'll keep my post short and sweet...
remote mining like all things in stars... depends on the situation/race/game.
If i'm desperate for minerals... bugger it.. i'll do anything.
If I have a wide hab band i'll take ORBM and get 10% extra resources + minerals from the worlds I can take and bugger the ones I can't.
Remote mining is required for AR... so don't take ORBM.
but lets ignore AR because thats a different thread.
If I get the alien miner I'll do it. If I don't and I have wide hab... I wont. If I have small hab, I will remote mine. If I'm SS bugger mining... I'll steal it.
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