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How is that a mistake?

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gible wrote on Tue, 10 June 2003 13:59

How is that a mistake?

I wouldn't call it a mistake, just a bit clumsy.
Your people grow in freighters, but when they hit the surface, they don't amount to any resources!

HP's don't need that much pop, they need factories (I'm currently playing a HP IT with 'just' 17% growthrate)
IS has a popadvantage over others, so use it at it's full potential (-f or HG are best suited IMO).

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LEit wrote on Tue, 10 June 2003 16:02

I don't like to play 1/2500 ITs either, you want to be able to toss up a fort with an inf/300 ASAP, with 1/2500, you have to spend 2 years doing that, or capture a world with factories.

yeah, that is pretty annoying, but then again, that's everything with HP
Next time I play HP I will take <muffled sound> as PRT.

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Yeah, I once't seen one of them thar IS HP types in a game. Went and got hisself caught atwixt a HG WM and a HG JOAT and died a horrible premature death. He had a whole lotta fun claiming to be a "sleeping giant" up 'til 'bout 2460 or so.

I ain't a saying that an IS HP can't work. I'm just saying what I once't seen.

Respectfully,
The Crusader

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vonKreedon wrote on Tue, 10 June 2003 12:58

IS has a couple of early game toys, Mini-gun and Croby Sharmor, that combined with the pop's inherent defensive capability and cheap defenses make it easier to defend your early game gains.

Have you ever tried to get all those toys with HW still ramping, and with 2/3 res output of HGs, or building defenses on a new planet with 100k pop producing 40 res?

Sorry, the only IS advantage when comes to early pop-drop wars is pop defense bonus. After your HW turns green (turn 22-25) you can start researching and building DDs with minigun. Weap cheap rest expensive @ 3 has quite some drawbacks for early tech rush for FFs and croby
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iztok wrote on Wed, 11 June 2003 00:35

Hi! vonKreedon wrote on Tue, 10 June 2003 12:58 IS has a couple of early game toys, Mini-gun and Croby Sharmor, that combined with the pop's inherent defensive capability and cheap defenses make it easier to defend your early game gains. Have you ever tried to get all those toys with HW still ramping, and with 2/3 res output of HGs, or building defenses on a new planet with 100k pop producing 40 res? Sorry, the only IS advantage when comes to early pop-drop wars is pop defense bonus. After your HW turns green (turn 22-25) you can start researching and building DDs with minigun. Weap cheap rest expensive @ 3 has quite some drawbacks for early tech rush for FFs and croby BR, Iztok

I agree. Croby Sharmor at tech 7 is not really an "early" technology, and the worst thing about IS is you start with absolutely zilch for technology unless you make some other tough trade-offs for early gain. When I start a game as IS and find myself with an initial ranking of 13 out of 13 players, I know I'm the only one playing IS.

As Iztok said, there is very little in the way of early advantages for an IS. Croby sharmor (EN7) equipped frigates (C6) are not an early warship when you're trying to build an economy (and they're pretty expensive for a -f race), the planetary defenses though half cost are something you usually don't bother with when you're trying to build your economy, the tachyon detectors come way late at EL14 because so many other tech fields take priority. Somewhat the same with Superfreighters at C13 (albeit to a much lesser extent, but I wouldn't call getting them at 2440-2450 "early"), and the jammer 50 comes way after nubians. Building the speed bump minelayers will bankrupt an early economy of resources and minerals (god they're expensive!).

That only leaves the IS player with three real early advantages - pop defense bonus and pop reproduction on freighters - but I LOVE the low tech (and cheap!) fuel transports best. A cheap warp 5 fuel t

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You'll have to wait to see if the person (in Rwiab who did this)posts but unless I'm playing an -f CA I'd never go "no immune". There is one person playing that in Rwiab and it's cost him. Yes, the pop growth of freighters becomes a bigger advantage but the extra cost in terraforming can slow down a race which depends upon speed to survive. The overall larger planet sizes combined with much smaller costs to terraform gives a huge comfort factor.

Also ,in passing, I tried dueling Blood Angel a with a wide hab -f IS and Chee with a wide hab -f CA and in both games my life was nasty, brutish and short. Ok, Ok, playing them it would have been that anyway but in both games things were worsened by having all these little tiny planets that I didn't have the time or res to terra.

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Hetzer, do you mean an IS no-immune ?

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mazda wrote on Fri, 13 June 2003 05:24

Hetzer, do you mean an IS no-immune ?

Yes he does. I'm the IS without an immunity. And I have to say it's been a huge problem for my race. The colonies I find tend to be marginal, some of that is bad luck (best early green I had was 67% or so - it's in the 90s now, but that took a lot of work). Terraforming is more expensive (well I have to do more to get the same effect). And it's slower, compounding the cost. And it means I grow slower (well on the ground at least), again compounding the effect. In the early part of the game an IS still does most of their growth on the ground. Pop in ships don't produce anything (besides babies that is).

I'm not sure, but I think I'd be doing a lot better with an immunity, paying for it is difficult. However, I think the net effect would have had me growing faster early, and therefore, faster now too.

Being an IS has toned down the problems however, and it might not have been too bad if I'd gotten luckier, and or if it were a normal game and I had a few HPs I could pounce on.

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Joseph wrote:

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how do you do that white outline?

All you need to do is put [ quote ] in front of what you want in the "white outline" and [ /quote ] at the end... of course, take out the spaces


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