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icon4.gif  Sick and evil person Thu, 28 November 2002 14:33 Go to next message
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It has been brought to my attention by a friend that a sick/evil person has made a reappearance on AutoHost. This has happened most likely due to Ron's announced absence to enhance the damage caused.
Users of the old forum may recall back in January Ron posted a message about a character calling himself Rocco, who abused the AutoHost by causing massive mega-sized turn files to be sent to one player.
This game was immediately stopped by Ron. A short time later, due to the complaints of a player named Greg Woodcock on RGCS the game was restarted under Ron as game host, with only Greg Woodcock and Gregor Vorbarra left as active players.
These two have been playing since January, but recently the agme host position was turned over to Greg Woodcock. Now a few days later, after Ron posts his absence on the forum, the host now listed is Rocco, the original abusive host from January.
The game is Prisoner on AutoHost. Check it out. Look at the sick message posted to Joe. Check out the turn frequency and look at all the addresses on the emails going to only two places.
This abuse will most likely now continue until Ron's return next week and as a result of this SOB or "the SOBs?" Joe is now again being again bombarded with megabytes of email turn files 10 months after the last two incidents. Sick minded people!
I will post the names and supposed email addresses of these two here in hopes that they be chastised by the Stars! community who I am certain are opposed to this sort of thing.

original host: Rocco rsiff@bigfoot.com
recent host: Greg Woodcock woodcock_greg@hotmail.com
new host: Rocco rsiff@bigfoot.com

These two have been seen in other games that turned out bad. They are probably playing in a game with some of you right now. I suspect these two are scumbags that should be kept an eye on!

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Re: Sick and evil person Thu, 28 November 2002 22:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The PRISONER game files have been deleted, and I have apologized to the individual who was mailbombed.

Be on the lookout for the listed people. Unfortunately, its way too easy to get a new email address. Basically, the host turned AutoHost into his own mail bombing machine, because he couldn't stand being confronted with evidence of his cheating.

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Suggestion - only if a person has registered with the forum can they participate in games?? That would limit such incidents.

I imagine there is no decent player who will condone this sort of immature behaviour.


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Crash is currently offline Crash

 
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I played a game with Greg Woodcock over a year ago...

He was extremely vindictive and openly attack ppl in real life language about the way they played Stars through the universe wide msgs..

Not nice fellow imho..

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Re: Sick and evil person Tue, 03 December 2002 09:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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From the old forum's archives:

Quote:


Beware of this person.
Posted by Vulpis on Saturday, 27 July 2002, at 9:23 a.m.
I have recieved the following message in my Stars! game (Spring). This is not the first message of that type, and, indeed, a flame war instigated by the sender was narrowly averted due to timely Host intervention. It reads:

>From: The Germs
>To: The Tarsiens
>Hey you JEW #####! I've got the ovens heated up to BURN YOUR CHEAP ASS!!! SIEG >HEIL!!!!!!
>-----
>Adolf

The player in question is one R. Siffredi; rsiff@hotmail.com. Likely the same one involved in the mailbombing problem a while back. I will be the second player to drop the game because of him, and I would like to warn all hosts against him, so that he can ruin no more games.

Re: Beware of this person.
Interesting -- Saturday, 27 July 2002, at 7:38 p.m.
Strange. IMO, yOur host should have known better than to let him play. Yes, rsiff (Rocco) was the abusive host of the mail bombing "Prisoners" game and your host is still playing in that game with Greg W on AutoHost. I notice you have a Greg W also playing in this one? If he is the same Greg W he too should have known rsiff as he had complained on RGCS about Ron having stopped the game because of rsiff's abusive actions, and got Ron to restart and host it.
I recall a cheater named Jim Jones who used similar burn-Jew language in e-mails to players about June 2001. Was "Anything Goes" on AutoHost. Guess who hosted that game. Yep. Greg V. Game was stopped because of Jim Jones. Greg V, how do you get mixed up in so many bad games?

Posted by Niril on Sunday, 28 July 2002, at 4:11 a.m., in response to Re: Beware of this person., posted by Interesting on Saturday, 27 July 2002, at 7:38 p.m.

Well, it just keeps coming...i requested our Gen to be shifted by 1.5 hour so it can coincide with my work schedule and i get this (and yes, i'm jewish)
If this guy keeps causing so many problems, how does he keep playing..we should have a list posted somewhere thats accessible that has all the names/emails/IP's of people who shouldn't be put into any more games..

From: The Germs
To: The Scrona
>From: The Scrona
>Were just curious of people
>would mind having the Gen
>time shifted over by 1.5h?

DENIED! If the ####in' Jew isn't bright enough to do his turns after the gen, then he's too stupid to do his turns before the gen. He's all but ####### dead in this game anyway. ####in' Jew can't play worth #####.
-----
Adolf

Posted by Interesting on Monday, 29 July 2002, at 5:35 p.m., in response to Re: Beware of this person., posted by Interesting on Saturday, 27 July 2002, at 7:38 p.m.

Interesting that Jim Jones is the infamous Temple killer. Gregor Vorbarra is a fictional emperor/king. Rocco Siffredi is an Italian porn star.
These three use remailers such as hotmail. And three games mentioned involved cheating, mail bombing, and very abusive racial language.
Rsiff was in two of the games and Greg V. was in all three.
What an interesting mix? Do we need pictures to become suspicious here? Rocco probably would volunteer to help in that department as he has supposedly made seven porn movies already. Will the real Rocco please stand up. And then drop dead. Smile

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The only suggestion I can make to reduce the probability that some similar waste of flesh makes an appearance is to not allow for free anonymous email accounts. No Yahoo/Hotmail/etc. Without the sheild of anonymous email, there is a reduced incentive to act badly...


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I use hotmail, I'd rather not pay for any other address. So what exactly do you mean by your post Apelord, since I'm sure you don't mean to ban anyone with such and address


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Re: Sick and evil person Wed, 04 December 2002 09:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi, have had my yahoo email account for a long time. Through many changes of ISPs. I can access my account from anywhere. I am very happy with it. Humm, I don't even think I have set up an email account with the last three ISP's I have dealt with. Anyway, my point is that what you suggest Apelord will penalize me. And I have done nothing wrong.
So, I have a possible solution:
There is a movement in this forum to start a dueling club. Pick players that have a high number of games played stat. Why? Cause they are least likely to be disruptive. So, how do you get a high number? Play duel games. I have been issued a number of offers for games after I said I was willing to play.

Unfortunately, not everyone acts like an adult, that is, willing to face the consequences of their actions. I was a network admin. for a now defunct company. I scaned all incoming email for key-words. Twice, the company had to discipline or fire individuals for hate mail related incidents. Any mail that attacks or vilifies race, creed, or color is hate mail and against the law in the US. Contact the FBI. (I am in the US).
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Apelord wrote on Tue, 03 December 2002 14:09

The only suggestion I can make to reduce the probability that some similar waste of flesh makes an appearance is to not allow for free anonymous email accounts. No Yahoo/Hotmail/etc. Without the sheild of anonymous email, there is a reduced incentive to act badly...

Jeffmix

I use hotmail, I'd rather not pay for any other address. So what exactly do you mean by your post Apelord, since I'm sure you don't mean to ban anyone with such and address

If there is anyone who plays stars and runs their own e-mail server we could specify that anyone who only has an anonymous e-mail account would have to sign up for an account using that server. This might allow us to track the abusers a bit while not forcing everyone to purchase an e-mail account.

I must admit that I am a bit surprised though that people with internet conections do not have e-mail accounts through their providers, I do not think there is any ISP where I live that does not provide at least one e-mail address with internet service.

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I cannot think of the last time I used my ISP account, I know its out there but very inconvenient to use Sad.

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there is one other reason to not allow players to sign up with anonymous email accounts: cheating by running multiple races.

I actually had a game ruined once because of this and while I don't host much anymore, I did adopt a rule of no anonymous email addy's. If players wanted to use them later on after the game started that was fine, but you couldn't sign up for one of my games with one.


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Well, how about we allow users who put the Email they are going to use on their ID, even if its with my 'anonymous' email address, I can't well do something stupid and not get flamed on this account at auto host. I think this should be the exception to no anonymous accounts since (for example) I do tie up real things into my hot-mail account. (such as my user name on oh everything, being exactly the same. ever met anyone by the name of Jeffimix? any prefix, its still me)

I do agree games can be ruined by one person signing up on many hot-mail accounts to use something like half the races in one game, and thats its something to be fixed.


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jeffimix wrote on Wed, 04 December 2002 22:15

Well, how about we allow users who put the Email they are going to use on their ID, even if its with my 'anonymous' email address, I can't well do something stupid and not get flamed on this account at auto host. I think this should be the exception to no anonymous accounts since (for example) I do tie up real things into my hot-mail account. (such as my user name on oh everything, being exactly the same. ever met anyone by the name of Jeffimix? any prefix, its still me)

I do agree games can be ruined by one person signing up on many hot-mail accounts to use something like half the races in one game, and thats its something to be fixed.



1. IP address logging could be used, assuming you had to register into the whole Autohost page rather than just this forum. I would not be certain of the processes, but I would guess it could be adapted to use the Forum cookies to allow entry... this would at least make it difficult for people to register mutliple times....



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If you really want some solid protection then you could build a system something like this:

1) Players register on Autohost in a seperate database. Forum ID tied to unique game ID's tied to feedback feilds.

2) Stars! creates a unique ID based on the serial# and machine ID. It may be possible to get the serial# back out of this ID. If not then just use the unique ID to create a record for given players. NOTE: Players may play on more than one machine hence Forum ID has a one to many relationship to unique ID's (unnecessary if serial# can be backed out of unique ID).

3) Feedback system similar to Ebay is implemented. I.e. if you are in a game with someone, then you can leave feedback, person can respond. You can always look up someone's feedback if they are considering joining a game with you.

4) Autohost could provide a check to hosts on unique ID's/users to see if there are multiple races being run by the same player.

Only hole is IF two people share a computer and Stars game and are playing in the same email game. While such a circumstance is plausible (dormies sharing a pc?) the number of occurences is likely to be low enough to manage on a case by case basis.

This would enable a relatively secure feedback system to be used as a reference by other players/hosts.


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Re: Sick and evil person Sat, 07 December 2002 08:50 Go to previous message
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I can think of 2 other very good reasons to use a Hotmail or Yahoo account.

1. The above abuse is a perfect example of why you don't want to use your real ISP e-mail address. Would you want some psycho mail-bombing you? At least with a web-based e-mail account, you can delete the messages without downloading them.

2. You never know who you will meet, and what sick things they will do to your account. I played in a recent game, where a player used a game-related e-mail to get my account cancelled. It was role-playing, and I basically told him his race was going to die. Well, he sent the e-mail off to abuse and called it hate mail. Naturally, they looked at the e-mail and cancelled my account. They obviously didn't know it was a game message!

What an *ssh*le! I later named some rude ship names after him in the game, then he sent me a really nasty e-mail. We were both banned. Sigh.

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