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Which alliance bigger? Wed, 23 April 2003 20:08 Go to next message
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Bugs here.
Citadel/Pilgrim say Goth/Fides bigger.
Goth/Fides say Citadel/Pilgrim bigger.

Who is bigger? Bzzzgnt!

Citadel and Goth both shoot down poor defenseless Bug scouts. Crying or Very Sad

Shooting scouts not way to make friends to help.

Big Bug

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There are a number of scouts from third parties and planets that must be able to scan areas of Pilgrims/Fides/Goths e.g. Knights at Ya Betcha - plenty of Fides/Goths ships visible from there - all heading west. Head Knight - tell the world what you see. The balance of aggressive ships is very evident. The facts will not lie, just the Goth Minister of Information. A new Comical Ali?
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Re: Which alliance bigger? Sun, 27 April 2003 13:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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argusfreak wrote on Sun, 27 April 2003 14:43

There are a number of scouts from third parties and planets that must be able to scan areas of Pilgrims/Fides/Goths e.g. Knights at Ya Betcha - plenty of Fides/Goths ships visible from there - all heading west. Head Knight - tell the world what you see. The balance of aggressive ships is very evident. The facts will not lie, just the Goth Minister of Information. A new Comical Ali?
Issued by the Pilgrim Peace Studies Institute


Ni!

We see ships going in all directions, VisiGoth FFs heading East, VisiGoths DDs advancing West, Pilgrims minelayers moving East! Citadel ships sitting still?
That makes us wonder about several things, like: where do African Swallows go to hibernate!?

Head Knight,
The Knights Who Say Ni


[Updated on: Sun, 27 April 2003 16:33]

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I know which alliance is bigger... mine.

Not that there's anyone in my alliance........ lol.

It sucks when you don't have friends.

bj (not the messiah, just a very naughty boy)

p.s. - I'm glad you said African. I'd hate to see what would have happened if we had to delve into a "African or European?" style conversation.

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Micha wrote on Sun, 27 April 2003 13:47


We see ships going in all directions, VisiGoth FFs heading East, VisiGoths DDs advancing West, Pilgrims minelayers moving East! Citadel ships sitting still?
Head Knight,
The Knights Who Say Ni


Notice the part about Citadel ships sitting still??? These ships have NOT moved in 4 years. Shocked No new ships, no movement other than an occasional privateer that seems to be automated. Confused The Citadels are NOT even building defenses for planets that might get bombed!!! Surprised

There can ONLY be one explanation, the Twisted Evil Citadels are building WEAPONS of MASS DESTRUCTION. They submit turns each year but nothing happens. What else could possibly be going on within the presidential palaces the Citadels inhabit??? Confused2 Well possibly a few orgies, but this was suppose to be my races speciality!!! Razz Damn usurper of other races rights!!! Shame This is NOT a green player without a clue Confused but an Evil or Very Mad demon who intends to destroy this galaxy. Wake up before it is too late!!

King Alaric, VisiGoth Empire Angel


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argusfreak wrote on Sun, 27 April 2003 08:43

The facts will not lie, just the Goth Minister of Information. A new Comical Ali?
Issued by the Pilgrim Peace Studies Institute


Shame We do not resemble those remarks!!!

We speak only the truth. Who me? I'm a saint

Ah, then you want some proof, do you??? Confused2

Just take a look at the size of the M files for all races. While this is not totally accurate, it can be very useful to get a good indicator of what is going on when the actual file is not available. For the current year, 2447, we have:

m1 Sivxa 6 kb
m2 VisiGoths 15 kb
m3 Rome 9 kb
m4 Citadels 15 kb
m5 {}{}{}{}{ 8 kb
m6 Chyortoids 8 kb
m7 Fides 15 kb
m8 Pilgrims 22 kb
m9 Bugs 11 kb
m10 Knights 16 kb

Now M file size is also an indication of activity as well as power. In the above we see the Pilgrims are in 1st place! Shocked

We see the second place is held by the Knights. Surprised

Then we see a tie between the Citadels, Fides and VisiGoths! Confused What you should also consider is that the Citadels are doing ABSOLUTELY nothing right now. Whereas the Fides and VisiGoths are fighting for our lives!! Proud

I ask you, how can the Citadels have such a big M file and still be doing ABSOLUTELY nothing??? Confused The answer is that they are building up tremendously and researching Weapons of Mass Destruction, WMD. Crying or Very Sad

The Fides and VisiGoths are moving every ship we have in our fight to survive the Twisted Evil ones. This has artificially inflated our M file size. Embarassed The VisiGoths will submit our M files to an outside independent observer to verify the truth that we are NOT #1, NOT #2, or NOT #3. We are your lowly servant Cool , a peaceful IS, here to help you survive the Twisted Evil ones.

We will soon all be Dead if we don't ally to stop this threat to the galaxy. Come join the alliance Cheers against WMD and the Twisted Evil ones.

King Alaric, VisiGoth Empire




[Updated on: Tue, 29 April 2003 14:26]

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Huh, Alaric speaks and the world holds its nose! If the Citadels are static how can they be guilty of the aggression that the Goffs speak of and which they use as an excuse for their vicious assault. Firstly Citadel aggression is to blame, now Citadel passivity. One might think that with that logic they cannot win. Let all races ponder on that before concluding that the Goffs are the issue here.
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Re: Which alliance bigger? Tue, 29 April 2003 16:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We meant to comment on the file size. This is of course heavily influenced by the number of minefields a race has - and we have a few! It goes without saying that these are defensive in nature and represent no threat to any other races that keeps to its own area - something that we can only ask the Goffs/Fides to do.
Our standing in the universe leaves us some way from the lead race in this universe, musch as the Goffs claim. Which does beg the question - who is No 1? Fide? The Goffs silent stooge?
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Just take a look at the size of the M files for all races. While this is not totally accurate, it can be very useful to get a good indicator of what is going on when the actual file is not available. For the current year, 2447, we have:

m1 Sivxa 6 kb
m2 VisiGoths 15 kb
m3 Rome 9 kb
m4 Citadels 15 kb
m5 {}{}{}{}{ 8 kb
m6 Chyortoids 8 kb
m7 Fides 15 kb
m8 Pilgrims 22 kb
m9 Bugs 11 kb
m10 Knights 16 kb

Now M file size is also an indication of activity as well as power. In the above we see the Pilgrims are in 1st place! Shocked



{not in character}
From what I have seen, the size of the M file is not a good indicator of rank. The M file contains information related to actions of the player. So higher levels of MicroManagement; more items in the build queues, terraforming, laying minefields, remote mining, cargo transfer, ram scoops, etc. will all increase the size of the .M file. Other items included are SCANNING results, number of fleets built, ship designs, and battles, and waypoints set. A race with better scanners knows more about other items in the universe. A race having more battles, and thus also knowing more enemy ship designs will also have a bigger M file. Races with automated cargo transfers and waypoints will have larger M files.

So the Pilgrim file might be biggest because they have many small minelayers, excellent scanners, many minefields (which can also increase scanning), minefield detonations, ad nauseum...

Before playing in autohost I played with a group that sent out all results in one big zip file. It was very easy to see the size of the files generated. There were times when I was in third or fourth place, but had the largest M file. Another game where I was in first place, I had far from the largest file.

In summary, the size of the M file can provide SOME information, but you have to know a lot about the other players in the game to be able to get accurate information from it.

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So, more Goff misinformation is revealed. Truly they are adept at propaganda as well as violence. So sad. One can only speculate on what their hobbies might be. Torturing pet dogs or making reality TV shows or some other disgusting passtime.
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The M file indicator is flawed.

AR races get next to bugger all messages (no mines, no factories)

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argusfreak wrote on Tue, 29 April 2003 17:40

So, more Goff misinformation is revealed. Pilgrim Peace Studies Institute


Your comments reveal nothing. I said it was an indicator, not a extremely accurate, full proof, actual ranking. One can always find a problem, like the ARs, but then how many ARs are in this game??? You gloss over of the FACTS, serves only to influence the dimwitted, Confused2 not the supremely intelligent races Grin who cohabit this galaxy with the you. Nod

It is true that someone may be doing something in a given year, more or less, but overall this is a better indicator than listening to the half-truths from the Pilgrim Misinformation Institute. Face it, we all are doing the same kinds of activities each year and I find it very hard to believe that a few minefields will boost the size of an M file more than 50%.

The Citadels finally moved their fleets this year. Bounce
No new ships but they chose to defend a planet that was about to be pop dropped. Problem is the fleet is now probably dead behind Fide/VisiGoth lines. Laughing

The research goes on for Weapons of Mass Destruction. We should know soon enough the form this terror will take. Crying or Very Sad
We will keep the peace-loving races informed. Cool

Until then, a note to the Pilgrims, our name is VisiGOTHS, not Goff. Nana nana bubu Simple minded race can't run minelayers and talk at the same time. ROFLMAO ROFLMAO But I guess that was evident from the comments they have been making. Crazy

King Alaric, VisiGoth Empire Angel

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Raindancer wrote on Tue, 29 April 2003 16:35


{not in character}
From what I have seen, the size of the M file is not a good indicator of rank. The M file contains information related to actions of the player. So higher levels of MicroManagement; more items in the build queues, terraforming, laying minefields, remote mining, cargo transfer, ram scoops, etc. will all increase the size of the .M file. Other items included are SCANNING results, number of fleets built, ship designs, and battles, and waypoints set. A race with better scanners knows more about other items in the universe. A race having more battles, and thus also knowing more enemy ship designs will also have a bigger M file. Races with automated cargo transfers and waypoints will have larger M files.


{not in character}
It has been established by the Knights, as independent observer, the level of activity in the region. I would like to point out that a number of the things you say is true but that this info is then stored in the History file, not in the M file. Updates are of course in the M file. The lack of Citadel activity means a lot must be going on in the Citadel queues such as research, secret building of new warship, etc. I have just only this year detected a new pen scanner scout ship in use by the Citadels, so massive amounts of pen-scanner data can be eliminated as a source of M file size (they are ferret scanners). The Citadels have, for the most part, been hiding behind Pilgrim minefields, have not even combined the same design DD at planets to get stacking advantages for defense. So if they are not attacking on this front as least, not moving warships, they don't have minefields, then what is going on to make their M files so large???

I noticed the Pilgrim Minister of Misinformation (PMM) did NOT challenge me when I stated I was not in the top 3 in ranking. (By the way, that does not automatically mean I am #4. One has to put a cut off in at some point, so I choose 3.) The reason for no response from the PMM is because he knows who is in those positions by observing his ally and his own files.


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Dear Alaugh a Minute of the Goffs
Please do tell the world about your peace loving activities at Mohlodi. And do you fear more WMD at Keplar? Yet neither of these planets are (or have ever been) occupied by The Pilgrims or Citadels. A fact that other neighbouring races will do doubt appreciate.
To the other races
The time is here for the silent majority to rally against the evil hordes spreading from the south east. Act now or die later regretting your indecision. Allowing the Goffs and Fides to control the lower one third of the universe gives them victory. Can that be what you desire? Support the Pilgrims in their struggle.
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argusfreak wrote on Wed, 30 April 2003 16:46

Dear Alaugh a Minute of the Goffs
Please do tell the world about your peace loving activities at Mohlodi. And do you fear more WMD at Keplar? Yet neither of these planets are (or have ever been) occupied by The Pilgrims or Citadels. A fact that other neighbouring races will do doubt appreciate.
Pilgrim Liberation Front



Ahh, you speak of Chyortoid planets. The Chyortoids seen to have this idea Crazy that they can take planets anywhere in the galaxy no matter how far away they are. Several examples will illustrate my point: The Chyortoids took Allegro, 490 lyrs. from their home world, in the cluster where we currently fight the Citadel/Pilgrim Evil or Very Mad menace. The Chyorts seemed to be acting in alliance with the Evil or Very Mad ones.

The Chyorts have also taken Mohlodi Shame , 255 lyrs. from their HW, but ONLY Shocked 97 lyrs. from the Fide HW. The Fides decided that having an IT race within warp 10 distance of their HW was Thumbs Down not a good situation.

Keplar is another situation in which the Chyorts are colonizing a planet 375 lyrs. away from their HW. The planet is only 130 lyrs. from the Fide HW and given the aggressive Mad2 nature of the Chyorts, it's elimination as an IT base of operations was necessary to protect the innocent Fides. Who me? I'm a saint
Let's face the facts, an aggressive Mad2 IT is not what anyone wants close by due to the ITs special abilities. Nod Nod Nod

Thus you see other neighbors have nothing to fear. There are very good reasons for actions taken by the Fides/VisiGoths.
Hail Cheers to the honorable races that defend the peace and seek to destroy WMD. Nod Nod Nod

King Alaric, VisiGoth Empire Angel

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Bugs stay out of silly arguments, but false accusations against Chyortoids not so silly.

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The Chyortoids seen to have this idea Crazy that they can take planets anywhere in the galaxy no matter how far away they are.


Bugs say: SO? Did Chyortoids break agreement with Fides? Was agreement between Fides and Chyortoids? Fides ask Chyortoid not to colonize before planets colonized? Fides offer Chyortoids something better to leave planets near Fides?

Chyortoids have strong Honor, never broken agreements to Bugs, even when Bugs and Chyortoids disagree.

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given the aggressive Mad2 nature of the Chyorts



Long ago, Chyortoids shot down Bug scouts, as Chyortoids had intelligence to send escorts with transports. Chyortoids never purposely attacked Bug ships, or Bug planets. Bug thinks Chyortoid expansion plan toward Bug space lacking and far from aggressive.

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it's elimination as an IT base of operations was necessary to protect the innocent Fides. Who me? I'm a saint
Let's face the facts, an aggressive Mad2 IT is not what anyone wants close by due to the ITs special abilities.


Maybe Goths should redefine aggressive. Bugs think colonizing a planet, when not breaking agreement, is not too aggressive. Attacking a planet before other methods is aggressive.

Maybe Chyortoids or Fides can reveal what agreements made?

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Raindancer wrote on Thu, 01 May 2003 12:24

Bugs stay out of silly arguments, but false accusations against Chyortoids not so silly.

Quote:

The Chyortoids seen to have this idea Crazy that they can take planets anywhere in the galaxy no matter how far away they are.


Bugs say: SO? Did Chyortoids break agreement with Fides?


I have no idea what agreements the Fides and Chyortoids may have had. I do know that the Chyortoids and I discussed a common border between our 2 races very early. I stated what I thought would be a good border based on my scouting at that point. The Chyortoids made no protest concerning the position of the border. The next time I had a scout going through the area, I found a Chyortoid colony that had been setup on my side of the border. Shocked If the Chyortoid had a problem with where the border was, they could have stated this openly but they choose to colonize the planet secretly.

My scouts were all attacked and destroyed on the Chyortoid side of the border. These were all "mistakes". Rolling Eyes After a while a got tired of all the "mistakes" and started taking out Chyortoid scouts on my side of the border.

I have NOT attacked a Chyortoid planet even with the above provocations from the Chyortoid.

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"I noticed the Pilgrim Minister of Misinformation (PMM) did NOT challenge me when I stated I was not in the top 3 in ranking. "

We missed the above quote from Alaugh of the Goffs. For the record we are not in the top 3 - if only....
We are happy for our files to be verified by a third party (Ken?)if required.
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argusfreak wrote on Sat, 03 May 2003 10:07

"I noticed the Pilgrim Minister of Misinformation (PMM) did NOT challenge me when I stated I was not in the top 3 in ranking. "

We missed the above quote from Alaugh of the Goffs. For the record we are not in the top 3 - if only....
We are happy for our files to be verified by a third party (Ken?)if required.
Pilgrim Defence League


Hey! No need for that, this is all part of the game, guessing and deceiving the ranks, having if verified by a third party takes it outside the game! Don't take this all too personal, it's just interracial politics!

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Out of character
Mch - comment was tongue in cheek really. Goffs had made similar offer a few years back.

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argusfreak wrote on Mon, 05 May 2003 10:11

Out of character
Mch - comment was tongue in cheek really. Goffs had made similar offer a few years back.


{OoC}
Hm, must have missed that, carry on then!
mch

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Ni!

"Tongue in cheek", that must have hurt, we wish you well and hope it's just a flesh wound,

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argusfreak wrote on Sat, 03 May 2003 04:07

"I noticed the Pilgrim Minister of Misinformation (PMM) did NOT challenge me when I stated I was not in the top 3 in ranking. "

We missed the above quote from Alaugh of the Goffs. For the record we are not in the top 3 - if only....
We are happy for our files to be verified by a third party (Ken?)if required.
Pilgrim Defence League


Ahhh, this is very interesting. Given that the Pilgrims are telling the truth Who me? I'm a saint and I know I am. Angel This means there are some about who are indeed in high ranking and hiding out from observation. Who are the mysterious leaders?? Sherlock Checking on the M file size:

M8 Pilgrims 23 KB
M10 Knights 22 KB
M2 VisiGoths 18 KB
M7 Fides 17 KB
M4 Citadels 15 KB
M9 Bugs 14 KB
M6 Chyortoid 13 KB
M5 {}{}{}{}{ 8 KB
M1 Sixva 7 KB
M3 Rome 7 KB

Looks to me like the Pilgrims or Knights are #1 & #2.
Fides and VisiGoths are #3 & #4.
Citadels, Bugs, and Chyortoids share slots 5-7, though not necessarily in the order given and are very even in power.

We believe the Pilgrims are spreading propaganda Shocked once again on their true postion. Shame
Strongly suspect Knights are currently #1, Pilgrims #2. Nana nana bubu

I ask you to compare your actual position with what would be forcast from the M file size and compare. I would be willing to bet a brand-new-shiny Missle CC that you are within 1 of the rank forecast by the M file. (See Chyortoids to collect your CC, I don't have any. Crying or Very Sad )

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I think you'll find I'm in first place.

I have nubians with Omegas already.

I'm just researchin bio so I can use this Genesis device. I have 2,000,000,000k of resources and almost as much minerals per world.

muhahahahaha

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A news report from the front of the War for the Southern Cluster. Bounce Bounce Bounce

VisiGoth scout ships this year penetrated deep into Citadel territory to try to discover what the very quiet Evil or Very Mad ones were doing. Much to our Shocked we found that very little of anything was being done. In fact their HW ONLY has one lousy DD for defense. The Citadels aren't even building minimal defenses for their HW. Shocked
At several other major planets we were able to scan, the same was true, no defensive ships whatsoever. Shocked

What is going on you ask Question

Glad you asked the question Exclamation Laughing Laughing
Reports are that the Citadels Twisted Evil , in league with the notorious Pilgrims Evil or Very Mad are heavily engaged in research. Nod Nod Nod

The lies about the Citadel M file being large because they were doing so much is all a bunch of hooey, crap, lies, untruths, deceptions, etc. Nod Nod Nod

For the good of your races, please be careful, and do NOT listen to the Crazy Pilgrim Misinformation Minister. Facts on the ground speak much louder than the Evil or Very Mad PMM's words.

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