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No -f HE for CC, but it should be open for other players

> (-f HE)
Better to just ban it. Anyone can build and run it, and it's remarkably effective when you get a feel for it. I ran a few testbeds and would feel confident fielding it. The growth rate is just so far beyond anything other kinds of races can do it's definitely ban worthy.

Hi,


maybe some handicap for SS the winning race of the first ring game ?

ccmaster

Hi,

when will the game start ? When is the deadline of races ?

ccmaster

maybe some handicap for SS the winning race of the first ring game ?

Or how about a penalty for the player who won the last game instead ?

No -f HE for CC, but it should be open for other players

3. What I really want in a stars game.
Vanquishment / Conquering.
If you kill conquer enemy HW + all planets in a 181 ly radius from the HW, then you should be able to conquer the race. (or 75% of an enemy race, but that's tough to quantify hence the LY range from HW)

When something like this happens, the host announces this to the entire universe.

Interested

yes even a better idea.

He absolute dominate the game. I vote for a hanicap of 200 Points.😁👿


ccmaster

Then what? Is the player set to dead and his planets are all up for grabs? Do the planets automatically go to the attacker? What if more than one player is attacking, who gets the planets?
Interesting idea, but I think I will pass on it for this game, we are already giving the host some work, I don't want to give them any more.

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maybe some handicap for SS the winning race of the first ring game ?

I will consider a SS handicap. Not only was the winner a SS, but the player who was in 2nd for 2/3 of the game was an SS. But I hate to give SS a penalty since it already has less points to use than most other PRTs.

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Or how about a penalty for the player who won the last game instead ?

No, I don't want to do that. If Nmid wins this one, well maybe in the next ring game we would do that.

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No -f HE for CC, but it should be open for other players

No, it is banned for everyone.

Akchir wrote on Thu, 30 March 2017 10:02

Interested

How interested? You have a little time, but not much to decide for sure.

I see you are newly registered. What is your experience level?

The reason I ask is this isn't a good game for beginners. If you are experienced, then you are welcome to play in this game. If you are a beginner, it would be best to wait for the next beginner game. I will even start a new beginner game if needed.

I like the overall penalties for the various races. I do want to comment on SS and IS though.

SS I think benefits particularly from the arrangement of the game. Weapons expensive and no comms, no trading. This forces more research to occur than in an alliance game or one without forced expensive techs. Which yields bigger benefits to SS than other arrangements. SS also gets to avoid the paranoia that tends to happen to SS neighbors - the neighbors are limited to "two". Of all the game arrangements I've seen, this is one that is rather more favorable for it. Having the best intelligence net doesn't hurt either when other people can't help you out. The performance in the last game suggests that you are likely to get even more SS (and IS as a counter) in this game. Or maybe that's because people who want to play SS look for such games where they stand a chance at all. I've never actually played a game where SS won. But then, I've never played SS beyond toying around

Compare this to say WM and HE. In a diplomacy free environment these races with more glaring weaknesses have a much more difficult time shoring them up through some kind of ally, which penalizes them harder relative to the other non-econ PRTs.

I'd recommend a 10 pt penalty and/or 10 scrapper reduction for SS due to the somewhat more favorable game conditions.

IT has a very distinct advantage with the setup, and has been penalized accordingly. IS could use a penalty closer to 40 points IMHO. They are the race, behind IT, that could most readily and easily move production to the center area. You have mentioned some concern over them and I tend to agree. If you combined it with a SS penalty I think you might level things out a tad bit more.

ManicLurch wrote on Thu, 30 March 2017 21:27

Akchir wrote on Thu, 30 March 2017 10:02

Interested

How interested? You have a little time, but not much to decide for sure.

I see you are newly registered. What is your experience level?

The reason I ask is this isn't a good game for beginners. If you are experienced, then you are welcome to play in this game. If you are a beginner, it would be best to wait for the next beginner game. I will even start a new beginner game if needed.

I want to play. I haven't played in multiplayer and I'm sure ring2 isn't best place for the first time
About beginner game last game started a month ago, it took 2 month to get 3 newbies and what one newbie can learn from another? You put some experienced players in beginner game it's ok, but how it's different from one beginner in normal game? If you afraid, my neighbors will have an advantage because of my inexperience let me play without race handicap, don't shoot me for first ~30 years or something
You can open new game for beginners and if before ring2 galaxy setup there will be less than 3 "beginners" please, let me play here

Stop jinxing me, everyone.

I think PRT balancing has gone way beyond what it should.

Some hosts are trying to give the players new experiences with unique settings which empowers or weakens certain PRTs... and that's great! Why creating scenarios to juggle around the usual strengths and weaknesses of the PRTs to only trying really hard to balance everything out again right afterwards.

Almost all scenarios are for rather experienced players and those don't need babysitting. It's their own responsibility, challenge and joy to analyze the game setting and think which PRT with which strategies and tactics is best suited for it, to show ways to play with a PRT which are often enough not possible in a "normal" game.

In the past years we had so great scenario games with hosts really putting much work into it... and then everything gets balanced and evened out again. And every successful players' PRT gets punished. That's stupid and an extremely weird application of mediocrity. As a matter of fact it is the try to play in a scenario as if there weren't a scenario. As if nobody here wants to adapt and to try out new stuff. Hey, I know that most players are exactly the opposite. So don't behave so weird.

I will demand that every seventh colonist be name howard.

I want to play. I haven't played in multiplayer and I'm sure ring2 isn't best place for the first time Wink
About beginner game last game started a month ago, it took 2 month to get 3 newbies Very Happy and what one newbie can learn from another? You put some experienced players in beginner game it's ok, but how it's different from one beginner in normal game? If you afraid, my neighbors will have an advantage because of my inexperience let me play without race handicap, don't shoot me for first ~30 years or something Twisted Evil
You can open new game for beginners and if before ring2 galaxy setup there will be less than 3 "beginners" please, let me play here Rolling Eyes

If he's playing, he should play a weekend duel of 50 years with any of us + his race should be checked by a mentor who makes sure he doesn't take a slow start HP race or GR/UR as a PRT etc.
Give him the centre spawn so he can expand, he'll get the experience + it will be a good impediment for the border races to expand to the middle

I think PRT balancing has gone way beyond what it should.

Some hosts are trying to give the players new experiences with unique settings which empowers or weakens certain PRTs... and that's great! Why creating scenarios to juggle around the usual strengths and weaknesses of the PRTs to only trying really hard to balance everything out again right afterwards.

Almost all scenarios are for rather experienced players and those don't need babysitting. It's their own responsibility, challenge and joy to analyze the game setting and think which PRT with which strategies and tactics is best suited for it, to show ways to play with a PRT which are often enough not possible in a "normal" game.

In the past years we had so great scenario games with hosts really putting much work into it... and then everything gets balanced and evened out again. And every successful players' PRT gets punished. That's stupid and an extremely weird application of mediocrity.

Fair points.

The reason why I don't like the SS being penalised is that it has a horrible PRT RW points setup.
If you plan on penalizing the SS for it's one saving grace, then you should penalize the IS for it's freighter pop growth more, the WM for it's specialised hulls that are a game changer at the CC stage. The races that are currently over-penalized are the IT and the JOAT.

IT should have 100 points instead of 150 penalty. I don't think any race is viable with a -150 point penalty.. except perhaps CA.

JOAT should not have double penalty.. I personally don't like it being forced not to take NAS. 25 points penalty is good enough. It's meant to be a powerhouse with an early game scout boost. You're impairing the early game boost it has and I've always said the starting 20 years decides the game.

This is in line with what I said earlier, the IS, WM dont get penalised for it's race advantages while the JOAT gets hit.

Hi,

how it looks with giving HE a fix handicap like 200 Points ?


ccmaster