CA gets terraforming for half price instead of free.

AR resources are based on population ^ 0.9 instead of population ^ 0.5. And AR starbases have 10x armor, maybe.

skoormit wrote on Wed, 04 June 2014 21:33

CA gets terraforming for half price instead of free.

AR resources are based on population ^ 0.9 instead of population ^ 0.5. And AR starbases have 10x armor, maybe.

I'll refine my question: what needs to be done in to make CA and AR have balanced play with other PRTs?

CA gets terraforming for half price instead of free.

AR resources are based on population ^ 0.9 instead of population ^ 0.5. And AR starbases have 10x armor, maybe.

CA gets terraforming for half price instead of free.

AR resources are based on population ^ 0.9 instead of population ^ 0.5. And AR starbases have 10x armor, maybe.

PRT still gets OAships (which are currently useless on own planets) but TF costs less rather than being inatant. (with TT it would be 35 points)

Instaforming, and the insta-revert, are the main brokenness about CA.

Giving AR a resource boost is an interesting thought, I'd reduce their colmodule Iron requirement, and let the ISB discount stack,

I agree on CA. The instaforming is broken and also makes the OA useless except for trade, and also removes the synergy between CA and TT.
If 50% discount is not enough compared to other PRTs, it would also be possible to do limited instaforming by altering the hab formula and place less penalty on suboptimal values, or give them some sort of extra bonus (e.g. let non-penetrating scanners also discover hab, or give the scout an inbuilt scanner that detects hab at 40ly but not pop, orbiting fleets, etc)

So, what is a good way to boost midlevel growth without unduly affecting balance? Maybe place either pop or energy outside the sqrt?

I think instaforming should be removed then

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I think instaforming should be removed then

Maybe bonus to terraforming, like IS defence discount should be better?
CA has unique, "bio" theme that should be keeped.
Insta terra is very broken. No race should have such advantage.

More bio oriented gadgets seem to be good idea. More organic armours, maybe some weird organic weapon?

therefore reducing the MM and effort required for a fully MM mao strategy?

CA must be by definition a biotechnology-oriented race. How would you terraform a planet after all?

But it happens on invasion as well

For observers it appears as instant. It isn't, it takes centuries, the machines working alone (or with very few caretakers) before they finally send proper colonists. And of course the other races find the apparent speed worrisome.

Funny thing is, the time-masters don't seem to use time-travel to win wars or even build their Starbases and ships. Something to do with prohibitive costs, likely.

I guess defenses would need to do something different from what they do now, as packets, bombs, and popdropping is all irrelevant for AR.

I don't think you need to double the efficacy of slots, just add more slots. Starbases are relatively cheap anyway, especially if ISB and AR bonus are stacked.

Another interesting option could be to change the +1 range into +2 for Ultra Stations and +3 for death stars.

m.a@stars wrote on Thu, 05 June 2014 11:31

XAPBob wrote on Thu, 05 June 2014 14:56

therefore reducing the MM and effort required for a fully MM mao strategy?

AR are already good at Mao (no industry to rebuild) but they should perhaps be allowed to build "Defenses" on their SBs.

I guess defenses would need to do something different from what they do now, as packets, bombs, and popdropping is all irrelevant for AR.

I don't think you need to double the efficacy of slots, just add more slots. Starbases are relatively cheap anyway, especially if ISB and AR bonus are stacked.

Another interesting option could be to change the +1 range into +2 for Ultra Stations and +3 for death stars.

I double or tripled armor and shield slots. the nice part of doing this is that it is still balanced with cost. you can make a super dupper unkillable deathstar. but you are gonna pay for every inch of it.

when it is all resolved i think the "easiest" solution is altering the SB hulls and possibly adjusting the resource formula.

For CA going on the time travel theory, maybe they can only send through microscopic things like bacteria or non-physical things like radio waves? so they colonize the planet, send bacteria back in time, this then creates a parrelle world where the enviroment is perfect for them. they then are shifted to that reality and the planet is perfect. upon invasion they send a signal to the previous them to cancle the terraforming, thus it seems to be undone, this has the effect of shifting them back to the original timeline/parrellel world where nothing happened.

The movie had them sending back in time entire planets with all their pop, and there was no hint of orbital terraforming machinery.