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Ai's with HE are nasty

Sat, 19 April 2014 15:21

iloverushandledzepp

Chief Petty Officer

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Registered: April 2014
Location: Canada

HE AI are nasty! the game with me and bystander has one AI and its an HE! it send dozens of ships out to colonize!

how do you feel about HE AI?

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Re: Ai's with HE are nasty

Sat, 19 April 2014 15:29

XAPBob

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Registered: August 2012

design one decent freighter, add fuel - go pop dropping for fun and profit (tech). Lift all pop each time, to go for the next protocolony. If IS then celebrate the on board reproduction...

No good in terms of pretending to play humans...

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Re: Ai's with HE are nasty

Sat, 19 April 2014 15:43

iloverushandledzepp

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Registered: April 2014
Location: Canada

should i add a weapon to the freighter?

EDIT: IMHO, this is the game with the stupidest AI i have ever seen in all the games i have played in my life!

[Updated on: Sat, 19 April 2014 15:53]

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Re: Ai's with HE are nasty

Sat, 19 April 2014 17:11

XAPBob

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To be fair the AI doesn't cheat, and was written in the early 90s with a target exe size of 1 floppy disk, and target PC with 4MB ram, which had to hold windows as well!

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Re: Ai's with HE are nasty

Sat, 19 April 2014 18:11

iloverushandledzepp

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Registered: April 2014
Location: Canada

the game is great tho Smile

i love it. i just dont like the ai Razz

anyhow should i add a weapon to the freighter?

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Re: Ai's with HE are nasty

Sat, 19 April 2014 19:26

neilhoward

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Registered: April 2008
Location: SW3 & 10023

maybe think of the AI as just a tutorial aid

btw, the AIs do cheat in the race wizard Wink

[Updated on: Sat, 19 April 2014 19:27]

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Re: Ai's with HE are nasty

Sat, 19 April 2014 20:00

iloverushandledzepp

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Registered: April 2014
Location: Canada

neilhoward wrote on Sat, 19 April 2014 19:26

maybe think of the AI as just a tutorial aid

cool

Quote:

btw, the AIs do cheat in the race wizard

I don't think they do. care to explain and possibly change my stance?

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Re: Ai's with HE are nasty

Sat, 19 April 2014 21:15

neilhoward

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http://wiki.starsautohost.org/wiki/Computer_players

AI race designs have large negative RW point totals depending on the level of AI chosen.

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Re: Ai's with HE are nasty

Sat, 19 April 2014 21:32

iloverushandledzepp

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how is that cheating? you cant make a race with the4 negative value?

I'm confused Surprised

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Re: Ai's with HE are nasty

Sat, 19 April 2014 23:35

neilhoward

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The AIs get to use more race wizard points than human players, depending on there setting. So the expert HE AI has something like -2600 points left over, iirc. Unfortunately that doesn't make them any smarter.

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Re: Ai's with HE are nasty

Sat, 19 April 2014 23:57

iloverushandledzepp

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Location: Canada

can one make a race with leftover in the minus?

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Re: Ai's with HE are nasty

Sun, 20 April 2014 00:00

craebild

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Location: Copenhagen, Denmark

I wouldn't call it cheating that the higher level AIs have negative leftover RW points, giving the higher level AIs negative leftover RW points was the only feasible way to make the higher level AIs harder to defeat, since the intelligence of the AI could not be very high given the computers of that time and the fact that the exe had to fit on a single 3½" disc.

A human player cannot create a race with negative leftover points in the RW, that is what is supposed to make the different races evenly capable. Experience has shown the Stars! community that certain race designs are not even with other races, which is why CA are usually completely banned, along with HE 3I -f and JoaT with NAS.

As to how the Stars! community knows the race designs of the AI races (which might be your next question), it is possible to open the turn of a AI race and look at the race design, the game password is know and is always the same (though I cannot remember what it is at the moment).

Med venlig hilsen / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Christian Ræbild / Christian Raebild

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Re: Ai's with HE are nasty

Sun, 20 April 2014 02:11

nmid

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One password to open AI files is "viewai".

I was thinking that I shouldn't tell you about it, to stop the temptation or spoiling your game, but then decided to let you choose yourself.

I'm not even sure if the commands you give as an AI player are accepted or not.

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Re: Ai's with HE are nasty

Sun, 20 April 2014 03:26

XAPBob

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iloverushandledzepp wrote on Sat, 19 April 2014 23:11

anyhow should i add a weapon to the freighter?

Don't need to

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Re: Ai's with HE are nasty

Sun, 20 April 2014 03:31

craebild

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Registered: December 2003
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark

The commands given to an AI race are ignored, so it can only be used to view the AI files - Which can still tell you a lot more than you can learn by scanning their space and engaging them in combat, so doing so can spoil the game in a game against the AI.

Med venlig hilsen / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Christian Ræbild / Christian Raebild

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Re: Ai's with HE are nasty

Sun, 20 April 2014 06:34

m.a@stars

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iloverushandledzepp wrote on Sat, 19 April 2014 21:43

should i add a weapon to the freighter?

EDIT: IMHO, this is the game with the stupidest AI i have ever seen in all the games i have played in my life!

Freighters shouldn't carry weapons. Instead, escort it with a (small) warship. 2 Guns

And yes, the AI isn't very smart, but can grow its econ up to the point you'll need to actively defend your own, and never surrenders. Rolling Eyes

So many Stars, so few Missiles!

In space no one can hear you scheme! Deal

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Re: Ai's with HE are nasty

Sun, 20 April 2014 17:48

iloverushandledzepp

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thanks guys for all the help/info Smile

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