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| Re: Cheating is rife in the stars community. |
Tue, 08 April 2014 04:19   |
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Hi Vostromo,
I remember playing along with you in Big Vanilla, my 1st game with you.. along with FA7 as well, way back in 2011.
Haven't had the chance to be in the same game with you since then.
I remember you mentioning that you joined Basic01 (hosted by Eddie) in 2013...
..and looking at SAH, you were possibly playing in No Monsters Allowed, Atsr1 and FA8.
Did I cover all the games? 
Which game(s) are you talking about though?
[Updated on: Tue, 08 April 2014 04:27]
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| Re: Cheating is rife in the stars community. |
Tue, 08 April 2014 04:35 |
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And maybe give the non-playing host (me) *some* time between sending them an email and posting here.
Just for public information the accusation you have made against two players in ATSR1 is false.
Yes I'm being vague - it's a no comms game.
See the email response I have just made for (some) more detail.
(PS by "some time" I mean more than 80 minutes)
[Updated on: Tue, 08 April 2014 04:41] Report message to a moderator
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| Re: Cheating is rife in the stars community. |
Tue, 08 April 2014 06:03 |
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Ah, ATSR1 and Simple are the same game.
Complaining about on-going games does lead to some complications, as you can't explain what's going on without revealing information.. and its even more complicated when you are playing in no-comm games.
I would suggest either bringing in one of the other known/sane regulars here and talk it out via email/messages (off the public board) or agreeing with the host if he's a non-playing party.
I do have to point out that if you would ask me for an outside opinion, I would defer to the host's judgement as he would have a more extensive picture of what's going on. I speak from experience, as I'm currently hosting ATSR2.
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| Re: Cheating is rife in the stars community. |
Wed, 09 April 2014 00:27 |
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I'd suspect that they're doing it less because they're desperate to win and more for the thrill of getting away with illicit shenanigans. Still, it's aggravating to hear.
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| Re: Cheating is rife in the stars community. |
Wed, 09 April 2014 02:40 |
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| XAPBob |
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It's not illicit shenanigans - it is easy to mistake as such.
As host I was consulted before the action was taken, in turn I consulted another SAH host for sanity. Vostromo disagrees with my decision (as he is entitled to do).
I will put it as a case study after the game.
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| Re: Cheating is rife in the stars community. |
Thu, 17 April 2014 12:54 |
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| skoormit |
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XAPBob wrote on Wed, 09 April 2014 01:40As host I was consulted before the action was taken, in turn I consulted another SAH host for sanity. Vostromo disagrees with my decision (as he is entitled to do).
Just so I'm clear, is this the correct order of events:
1) Player X contacts you about an action that he is considering, to see if you think that the action is against the rules of the game.
2) You consult with another host. You discuss the action with player X. You determine that the action is not against the rules of the game. You communicate this to player X.
3) The action occurs. Vostromo notices it. Vostromo contacts you because he thinks that the action constitutes cheating.
4) You tell Vostromo about items #1 and #2 above (i.e. that player X consulted you beforehand and that you consulted with another host and that in your judgment the action is not against the rules of the game).
5) Vostromo quits because of player cheating.
[Updated on: Thu, 17 April 2014 12:56]
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| Re: Cheating is rife in the stars community. |
Thu, 17 April 2014 16:44 |
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| XAPBob |
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skoormit wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 17:545) Vostromo quits because of player cheating.
Let me quote two sentences from my, reasonably extensive, comms with Vostromo (Edited slightly for grammar):
Quote:I cannot accept your decision (although I realise you made it in an unbiased way). I will attempt to find a replacement for the game
Quote:For me it invalidates the no-comms rule
My understanding from the above is that whilst he accepts that the decision was made, and followed the letter of the rules as laid down, they invalidated his concept of no-comms.
He continued to play until a replacement had been found, and passed over the files in his posession - an unfortunate, but honourable, end to his game.
I've put away much of the comms from all sides to conduct a full post mortem after the game is called. That allows the game to not be further endangered, and may serve as a guide of what (not) to do as a host...
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| Re: Cheating is rife in the stars community. |
Thu, 17 April 2014 21:02 |
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| skoormit |
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Vostromo wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 15:48Correct apart from point 5. I quit because I fundamentally disagree with the decision not the process or intentions of those reaching that decision. I suspect when it is discussed after the game there will be a few points of view.
This sounds entirely reasonable.
One thing still puzzles me, though. After you brought your concerns to the game host, the two of you had a "reasonably extensive" (his term) discussion, during which you learned that player X had first asked the host if the action in question would be considered cheating, and that player X did not take the action until the host said he did not consider it cheating. (You then took the thoroughly honorable path of continuing to play the turns until a replacement was found, which is really quite commendable.)
But the title and the first post of this thread, to me, paint a different picture. When you wrote that title and that post, you knew that player X had asked the host's opinion before taking the action that you find objectionable. That puzzles me. I understand that in your opinion the action in question compromises the no-comms rule. But player X made 100% certain that the host of the game did not consider the action to be unfair. And you knew that player X had done that. Yet you characterize player X as "lacking the skill or intelligence to try and win fair," and you characterize the stars community as being rife with cheating.
I don't know anything about the incidents you have experienced in other games. But the incident in this game certainly sounds to me like reasonable people disagreeing reasonably about an interpretation of a rule (and handling their disagreement with aplomb). It does not sound like cheating.
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| Re: Cheating is rife in the stars community. |
Mon, 01 December 2014 18:18 |
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| XAPBob |
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I need to go and find where I put all the comms on this now then don't I...
Excellent - I emailed myself
Crazy Ivan post will appear shortly...
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