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Re: Homeless Mon, 07 January 2013 21:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 If you want to avoid the classic game-killer of having the two strongest contenders ally each other and steamroll everybody else, here's the only rule I've seen work as intended: "Player #1 and #2 MUST be at war ALWAYS, regardless of previous status, NAPs, etc, effective as soon as possible." Dueling

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Re: Homeless Mon, 07 January 2013 22:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 m.a@stars wrote on Mon, 07 January 2013 18:18
If you want to avoid the classic game-killer of having the two strongest contenders ally each other and steamroll everybody else, here's the only rule I've seen work as intended: "Player #1 and #2 MUST be at war ALWAYS, regardless of previous status, NAPs, etc, effective as soon as possible." Dueling




Interesting and devious. (tries to come up with a plan to stay #3 until the endgame then jump ahead)

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Re: Homeless Wed, 09 January 2013 01:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 m.a@stars wrote on Tue, 08 January 2013 07:48
If you want to avoid the classic game-killer of having the two strongest contenders ally each other and steamroll everybody else, here's the only rule I've seen work as intended: "Player #1 and #2 MUST be at war ALWAYS, regardless of previous status, NAPs, etc, effective as soon as possible." Dueling


Interesting indeed...
Apart from using this here (I vote yes), it might also lead to the basis of a new game..

#1 and #2 always at war with each other
#3,#6 attack #1
#4,#5 attack #2
#6 is not attacked and he can attack anyone Razz

Instead of having PPS on, have the host inform the rankings every 7 years,starting 2420/25.
3 years of ceasefire to get ships in place after each announcement.
Compulsory attack on atleast 1 world (>certain pop) each cycle with >35% of your fleet.
Conquering a world gets a point..
Max points after 10 cycles wins the game?

Now that will be dynamic wars.

perhaps the 7/3 year cycle can be increased to 12/3 years instead.. with 5-7 cycles to decide the winner, starting 2425...

[Updated on: Wed, 09 January 2013 01:50]



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Re: Homeless Wed, 09 January 2013 13:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 Hi ,

this could be a good idea for a game but not for this one.
Also I dont like to have allies that will attack me in 5 years what dont makes sence to me. Maybe MA and Nmid likes to play that way but
I like to stay with my allies in a game and not to backstab them. So I would not play in a game where you have to do so.

Also is the Score easy manipulated so if you check every 10 years there will not be a score what is real. ( Only works if the check is Random)

For this game :

- against alliance
- against communication
- all set to enemy
- no techtrade


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Re: Homeless Wed, 09 January 2013 19:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 ccmaster wrote on Wed, 09 January 2013 13:47
Hi ,

For this game :

- against alliance
- against communication
- all set to enemy
- no techtrade


ccmaster


I can agree with this

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Re: Homeless Thu, 10 January 2013 03:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 Well, it depends on what these 4 neat little rules want to accomplish. Fake Player Scores can be policed and are usually considered a cheat. Natural-born minions giving a game to the #1 regardless of what all other players do are a sad fact of Stars!-life that can circumvent all rulesets, with the amazing exception of the specific rule I quoted. Rolling Eyes

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Re: Homeless Thu, 10 January 2013 03:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 nmid wrote on Wed, 09 January 2013 07:49

#1 and #2 always at war with each other

Oh, my. Good catch! Can never be too careful when trying to avoid well-known game-killers! Twisted Evil

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Re: Homeless Thu, 10 January 2013 03:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 ccmaster wrote on Wed, 09 January 2013 19:47

- against alliance
- against communication
- all set to enemy
- no techtrade

Need a 5th rule:
- no peace Dueling

(actually, make that the 1st rule and you won't need the other 4 Boxing )

[Updated on: Thu, 10 January 2013 03:50]



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Re: Homeless Sun, 13 January 2013 12:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 Sorry to have missed this one, broken laptop over xmas and still not flippin fixed. Good luck all

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Re: Homeless Sun, 13 January 2013 13:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 Hi ,

not startet so far dont know how far the host is maybe you could still join.

Should mail him or send a PM.


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Re: Homeless Sun, 13 January 2013 18:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm nearly done. I'd rather not start again...

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Re: Homeless Sun, 13 January 2013 19:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 Hi ,

fine with me I would like to start Razz

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Re: Homeless Mon, 14 January 2013 18:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 What's going to be the final rules?
I guessing

Please pick one:
"No Communications" or "In game messaging only" or "In Game messaging to all players only"

Victory & Allies:
One Player victory, by vote.
All Players Set to Enemies

the following are Not Allowed
Mine Damage dodge
UR/CE Scrapping
Battle Board Overload
0.2% Minimum Damage:
False Public Player Scores:
North/South Minefield Immunity
East/West Speed Bump Minefield Immunity
[freepop] [freeminerals]* Hack
Cheap Starbase
Mineral Upload
Target List Overload:
Space Dock Armor slot Buffer Overflow
ISB trumps IT gate scanning
Starbase Friendly Fire
Exploding Minefield Dodge
Colonize without Colonizer

*[freeminerals], Not in "Need to Know" thread, but anyway to get minerals beyond mining/salvaging.






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Re: Homeless Tue, 15 January 2013 03:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 LittleEddie wrote on Tue, 15 January 2013 00:28

the following are Not Allowed

It's easier (and safer) to list what _is_ allowed. That's what most games/hosts do. Rolling Eyes

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Re: Homeless Wed, 16 January 2013 09:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 LittleEddie wrote on Tue, 15 January 2013 00:28
What's going to be the final rules?
I guessing

Please pick one:
"No Communications" or "In game messaging only" or "In Game messaging to all players only"

Victory & Allies:
One Player victory, by vote.
All Players Set to Enemies

the following are Not Allowed
Mine Damage dodge
UR/CE Scrapping
Battle Board Overload
0.2% Minimum Damage:
False Public Player Scores:
North/South Minefield Immunity
East/West Speed Bump Minefield Immunity
[freepop] [freeminerals]* Hack
Cheap Starbase
Mineral Upload
Target List Overload:
Space Dock Armor slot Buffer Overflow
ISB trumps IT gate scanning
Starbase Friendly Fire
Exploding Minefield Dodge
Colonize without Colonizer

*[freeminerals], Not in "Need to Know" thread, but anyway to get minerals beyond mining/salvaging.



Hi,


I think he should say what is alowed so we know all the rest is not would make it much easier.


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Re: Homeless Wed, 16 January 2013 10:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So much preference for being alone and hostile...

However I think "no comms" might be a bit to harsh, and too tempting to bypass occasionally.

So rules:

- No pre game alliances (given how much you all seem to hate each other that seems fairly obvious Wink )
- No out of game comms (In-game messages are allowed, public and private)
- Standard cheat/bug disclaimer:
- - Split fleet/chaff/heal after gate all allowed
- - Min damage not allowed
- - - No building* alpha/beta ships after [turn 30], or your race has jihad tech. whichever is earlier
- - - To start a second torpedo slot on a SB the first slot must be full
* You don't have to scrap what you already have
(I imagine the Jihad era will precede the time limit)


I'll still ask for a forum for hold/slowdown requests/discussions (hold requests should also be made by PM (the board will email me))

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Re: Homeless Thu, 17 January 2013 09:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 hi ,


game forum is no problem Ron can set you up on.

When do you think we start ?

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Re: Homeless Tue, 22 January 2013 16:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 ccmaster wrote on Thu, 17 January 2013 19:47
hi ,


game forum is no problem Ron can set you up on.

When do you think we start ?

ccmaster


Same question...

/woot

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Re: Homeless Wed, 23 January 2013 04:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry - personal situation has been a little complex. I'll try to finish up the universe over lunch today.

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Re: Homeless Wed, 23 January 2013 13:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 Hi ,


take the time you need. We only want to hafe a status of the game Razz


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Re: Homeless Sun, 27 January 2013 16:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Apologies - lunchtime really didn't work out.

Genning a few years now (a few more to get all sorted, then I'll decide whether to wait for the Genesis Device or not - at this stage probably not*)


Cheers,

* If I can get myself a "read the messages out of the gamefile" function then I can gen until I see a MT/Comet and the game would be much easier to set up.

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Re: Homeless Sun, 27 January 2013 16:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 http://wiki.starsautohost.org/wiki/Utilities/In-game_informa tion_processing_and_sharing#Stars.21_Message_Reader
Might be of some use...

Use that in tandem with backup=50 and gens of 10 at a go, and u might be able to do it easier.

[Updated on: Sun, 27 January 2013 16:42]



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Re: Homeless Sun, 27 January 2013 17:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not managed to make it give me anything useful Sad

I'd rather a command line dump of messages - would be useful in other games as well..

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Re: Homeless Sun, 27 January 2013 18:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 Hi ,

I would be fine if we start without the GD and there is somewhere A HW for everyone.
As in this game there should be lot of 2 immune AR so there is no much wronge anyway.
( They also take red HW Smile )


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Re: Homeless Wed, 30 January 2013 12:55 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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 I think starting without the GD makes the start even more swingy. Proximity to your actual HW is random, and (for some race designs) is an enormous boon in this scenario.

What we need's a few good taters.

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