"I would strongly recommend against factoryless races in any game in a large or huge galaxy, where there's more than 30 planets per player."
This comes from personal experience.

I would strongly recommend against factoryless

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I would strongly recommend against factoryless

Why? Someone should loose the game

It does depend very much on the -f in question. -f IS can get away with almost anything because of their orgy overpop

and if your -f is faster in economy as well as military (20% growth, bigger breeders, maybe faster ships), you'll be able to grab a bigger slice of the pie, and with wider hab and instant greenlines you can compete effectively.

Tenderfoot, a game with 9 players in a medium dense, was won by a -f SS who used that space to outgrow everyone.

The lack of AccBBS, on the other hand, and the requirement of weapons expensive, *is* a fatal blow to -f. You need factory compounding in those ~10 years of homeworld growth, and those cheap techs mean a lot less if you still have to crunch expensive weapons before you can attack.

True as well - assuming you don't run out of planets to expand, and can take out anyone standing in your way. Such 20% PGR -f IS is about the only type of race I can think of that would meet these conditions - it can literally out-colonize anyone, no matter how big the galaxy is.

Most probably due to the fact that Tenderfoot was not slow-tech, and the galaxy was medium (which makes just a 400 l.y. worth of square edge per player). In these setting, a really aggressive -f can indeed grab space and devour the others relatively quickly. Oh, and you forgot to mention who played that particular race

The expensive Weapons tech is secondary to this

was won by a -f SS who used that space to outgrow everyone.

But best profit is from thieving techs from rapidly expanding HGs, not HPs....

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True as well - assuming you don't run out of planets to expand, and can take out anyone standing in your way. Such 20% PGR -f IS is about the only type of race I can think of that would meet these conditions - it can literally out-colonize anyone, no matter how big the galaxy is.

Not only. I have nasty prediction, that -f race was IT, to offset large distances during colonization and war.

Egsample:
20% growth, 1-3 hab, ISB,IFE, NRSE,NAS,OBRM
cheap vital techs(energy and con and probably prop) - rest expensive. Good mine settings, no less than 11/3/15.
He can drop some hab and one tech for more efficient mines or to modify some LRTs.
But it still is for masochists.

For minerals. Horde of ships cost lots of minerals. As slow tech is in play - miniaturisation will not help too much - as tech levels will be quite low. So the ships will not be as cheap as they could be.

And counting on loot isnt too wise (can be evac) - if mines are not efficient, not only resources will be problem but also minerals - as -f have low resources, giving them low mineral production is double noose.

Bob wrote on Fri, 26 October 2012 10:28]What's the process for getting/accessing a game forum?

I noticed this game doesnt have any kind of "balanced start" option that alot of multiplayer games have.

So am curious if its just lucky draw regarding HW minerals or if the host balances them out? (if thats even possible)