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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Mon, 27 August 2012 19:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marduk is currently offline Marduk

 
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We have an issue - Mac may be dropping out. If he does, we would probably be better off restarting than giving his nearest neighbors the advantages that entails; I will keep the game on hold a little longer while he decides.


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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Mon, 27 August 2012 19:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Agreed, at this point in the game it is better to restart then to have someone drop.

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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Mon, 27 August 2012 22:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mark Hewitt is currently offline Mark Hewitt

 
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I've thought things over again about running with 7. If Mac does drop, I'd like to try to get a replacement. 'Cause I think the odd race out wouldn't like it so much when alliances pair up.

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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Mon, 27 August 2012 22:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mark Hewitt wrote on Mon, 27 August 2012 19:04
I've thought things over again about running with 7. If Mac does drop, I'd like to try to get a replacement. 'Cause I think the odd race out wouldn't like it so much when alliances pair up.


What makes you think that's going to happen? Alliances are never set in stone, except when they are. You ally with whoever's the most useful to have as an ally. By the time Game Victory comes around and the two-player-alliance bit becomes relevant, there'll probably be several dead races anyway, so it's a moot point.


[Updated on: Mon, 27 August 2012 22:56]

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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Tue, 28 August 2012 02:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Okay - Mac will stay in if he can use a different race. There is apparently a major bug in universe creation when using 2.7j instead of 2.6j and he was counting on that, not knowing it was a bug, and not knowing that the difference between 2.6 and 2.7 is only supposed to be sound in the battle board. In the interests of letting him play and having 8 players instead of 7, I will give him up to two days to create a replacement race. If any of the rest of you have second thoughts about your design and want to submit an updated race file, if you can get it in before I get Macs race and regen the universe I will use it.

I apologize for this false start; once the game is well under way I will post about the bug. It's a weird one. I have to say, if I had continued to run into the same bug and thought it was normal game behavior I would have been upset too when I didn't get the expected result.



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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Tue, 28 August 2012 07:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am using 2.6j, is that a problem?

I would really like to know what the bug is beforehand.

Last game a new bug almost ended the game prematurely.

I do not want to go through that again.



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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Tue, 28 August 2012 07:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This bug only matters if the universe is created using the 2.7 version, not if the player is using the 2.7 version. I am using 2.6jrc4. Mac uses the 2.7 version, and so the bug affected all his tests and he was surprised to find a big difference between his start in this game and his start in all his tests.

Mac got his new race in a little bit ago. I have to leave for work now, I will regen the game when I get back.



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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Tue, 28 August 2012 15:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There is apparently a major bug in universe creation when using 2.7j instead of 2.6j and he was counting on that, not knowing it was a bug,


Can you explain this more? I haven't heard of it and I am curious.

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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Tue, 28 August 2012 15:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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we will expalin after creation of the game, i could do it now, but Marduk wanted to wait Smile
Nothing to worry about now.

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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Tue, 28 August 2012 17:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mac1 wrote on Tue, 28 August 2012 13:30
we will expalin after creation of the game, i could do it now, but Marduk wanted to wait Smile
Nothing to worry about now.


Probably due to differences between JRC3 and JRC4, as 2.7 only goes up to JRC3.

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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Tue, 28 August 2012 19:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ManicLurch wrote on Tue, 28 August 2012 12:15
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There is apparently a major bug in universe creation when using 2.7j instead of 2.6j and he was counting on that, not knowing it was a bug,


Can you explain this more? I haven't heard of it and I am curious.


I've never heard of it either, so my interest is rather piqued! Sherlock

Right now, I'm debating whether I want to change my race... eh, I'll stay with what I have.


[Updated on: Tue, 28 August 2012 19:18]

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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Tue, 28 August 2012 21:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Coyote wrote on Tue, 28 August 2012 19:02
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There is apparently a major bug in universe creation when using 2.7j instead of 2.6j and he was counting on that, not knowing it was a bug,

I've never heard of it either, so my interest is rather piqued! Sherlock

Yes, normally I would be somewhat upset at Mac for his shennanegans (however that is spelled). But I can see how he could have gotten the idea this behavior was normal, and it is a very interesting bug. I don't want to reveal it until later so that no one gets early hints about his race design; that will also give me time to run some tests and find out more about the bug before I throw it to the detectives.

Anyway, the re-created universe files have been sent to Ron. I don't know if we will get quite as speedy a response this time, but I praise The Ron for his patience, forbearance and kindness regardless. And I finally got a postcard to send him... one of those things I kept putting off "until I have the time" for a few years. It may take me a few months yet to get to the post office to mail it, but progress has been made!



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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Tue, 28 August 2012 22:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My suspicion is that it has something to do with the IT/PP secondary planet, but that's a pretty wild guess.

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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Thu, 30 August 2012 15:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Are we waiting for something? Did someone drop out? I thought the game was supposed to be genned two days ago.


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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Thu, 30 August 2012 16:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Are we waiting for something?


The game was regenned. I am guessing we are waiting on Ron, he does get busy sometimes.

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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Thu, 30 August 2012 20:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ManicLurch wrote on Thu, 30 August 2012 16:19
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Are we waiting for something?


The game was regenned. I am guessing we are waiting on Ron, he does get busy sometimes.


Correct. From what I've seen in the past, I was expecting he wouldn't be able to get to it during the week. But you never know.



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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Thu, 30 August 2012 21:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ron has reset the game with the re-generated files; the game may now commence!

I would prefer that this thread stay open until the first couple of turns have been submitted, in case any problems arise.



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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Fri, 31 August 2012 12:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Stupid question #1

Starter ships with missiles?

I say use them untell they are destroyed but you can't make any more

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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Fri, 31 August 2012 12:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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LittleEddie wrote on Fri, 31 August 2012 09:25
Stupid question #1

Starter ships with missiles?

I say use them untell they are destroyed but you can't make any more


Cheh, if you have a pile of expensive starting ships you're supposed to take Ultimate Recycling and scrap them for a starting factory boost. It works like magic!

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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Fri, 31 August 2012 16:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What about the CA starting orbital adjuster? Can we keep it?


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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Fri, 31 August 2012 19:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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sprocket wrote on Fri, 31 August 2012 16:39
What about the CA starting orbital adjuster? Can we keep it?

Do you promise to clean up after it?

Okay - all turns were in, so I took the game off hold. It then wanted to wait forever, so I forced turn generation. And then noticed that I hadn't set the game to email the turns. That has been corrected, and next time you should receive your turns properly. An email saying this same thing will go out momentarily.



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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Fri, 31 August 2012 19:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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LittleEddie wrote on Fri, 31 August 2012 12:25
Stupid question #1

Starter ships with missiles?

I say use them untell they are destroyed but you can't make any more

I'm afraid you'll have to get rid of it. You can scrap the ship rather than deleting the design, however. Be sure you don't dawdle and try to squeeze out a few turns of using it first.

Note that you can upgrade your starting starbase without getting rid of the 8-torp slots (but can't build any more of that design). You just can't add torps to more than one weapon slot without filling the first one you add to.



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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Sat, 01 September 2012 02:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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[quote title=Marduk wrote on Fri, 31 August 2012 17:31]LittleEddie wrote on Fri, 31 August 2012 12:25
Stupid question #1
Note that you can upgrade your starting starbase without getting rid of the 8-torp slots (but can't build any more of that design). You just can't add torps to more than one weapon slot without filling the first one you add to.


There are races that get starting starbases with torpedoes ?!? Very interesting.... >:)

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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Sat, 01 September 2012 04:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In older versions of the game you used to get 16 blue lasers and 16 alphas on your starting SB. I'm not sure why this changed.

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Re: Stone Age Slaughter 7 Sat, 01 September 2012 08:08 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Can we turn off Strict Schedule? Right now everyone's turn is in and it's still 35 hours until forcegen.

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