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For minor changes and typos/grammar, sure..
but not if I want to change the entire point of the message.
I thought it was better to correct myself in a reply post.
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| Re: lol Mac cheats |
Fri, 13 May 2011 12:56 |
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| Eagle of Fire wrote on Fri, 13 May 2011 22:15 |
Actually slim, if you refer again to the fact of using an earlier design slot to take the brunt of the damage, that particular exploit has never been outright banned in any game I know or played and, as far as I know, is not part of a standard game disclaimer.
Only the North-South/East-West mine dodge is.
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Now that you bring it up...
It was around 2442-45 that I realised that FA7 doesn't allow it after re-reading the rules.
I asked our game host about it, explained that I had not used it in any planet attacks, I was told not to do it again.
(Thankfully I had crash-sweeped Crux and poly siren.)
Rule breaker? Sure.
Intentional? No.
Thus, am I a cheater? No.
ps - I passed on the warning to a few other players and I haven't seen anyone in the eastern part using it anymore.
I know my minefields.. but I'm a chaff sweeper.
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| Re: lol Mac cheats |
Fri, 13 May 2011 13:04 |
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| Eagle of Fire wrote on Fri, 13 May 2011 12:45 |
Actually slim, if you refer again to the fact of using an earlier design slot to take the brunt of the damage, that particular exploit has never been outright banned in any game I know or played and, as far as I know, is not part of a standard game disclaimer.
Only the North-South/East-West mine dodge is.
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It was still early in the years and the ship used was made specifically for the the exploit so the ships weren't just laying around. He made them for all his DD's.
If someone says standard cheat disclaimer in there game they then add chaff, split fleet dodge, repair after gating loop hole allowed and all others are not allowed.
In all my SAH games and duels no one used the exploit. So that's about 20 players. You say it wasn't out right banned but then again no one stated to me outright the Battle Board Overload wasn't allowed, or Cheap Starbase. I am pretty sure if its stated you can use it, if its not stated you cant.
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| Re: lol Mac cheats |
Fri, 13 May 2011 13:05 |
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| slimdrag00n wrote on Fri, 13 May 2011 22:12 |
| nmid wrote on Fri, 13 May 2011 12:03 |
perhaps I didn't understand eagle-of-fire and slim, but
@ EoF -> I do care. I do want to know if a player breaks a host rule or not.
If I ever play a duel with a player, I would like to search the forum and read a few of his posts or see if there are any threads against him.
And before someone troll posts against my comment above, I'll point out that I'll be skimming through the forums threads long enough, to know if the allegation was substantiated or not.
If someone reads only the allegation, without the rest of the thread, then he's stupid.
@Slim >
Short reply.
No.
Long reply.
I don't care about someone's feelings.
I'm not their mom or gf.
If I break rules, please go ahead and post.
I'll be the 1st to admit my mistake or say "Bugger off".
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You don't have to act like there mom or g/f. But Moms and g/f's can do wonders to teach respect and honor.
You cheated in our dual using Mine Damage Dodge. You acted as if everyone was doing it and as if it wasn't in the known bugs section. I have lots of duals under my belt and 3 auto host games and have never seen it allowed. Maybe it was allowed in a few games I am not in but I bet they specifically stated if it was allowed which was not our case in our dual.
So lump your self in the same category as Mac. It's so Ironic that a cheater is calling another a cheater. Basically making almost every post you have about cheating worth diddly squat in my eyes.
I let it go because you were new and you said you would switch over to the standard way of playing. Even now I could care less about the cheat you made in our dual and would still dual you again. Just like the current people playing Mac not on here harassing his name. People make mistakes maybe you see it a little differently now.
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Slim, I take offence. No surprise.
As we spoke earlier, in all the duels I played, I have never had ANYONE say no to the minefield dodge.
When I pointed it out to you, you agreed that we could play either way.
On a side note, I also checked the official duel rules, but sadly, that doesn't say anything explicitly about it.
I asked Altruist (co-host of the championship, while ccmaster was offline) and was told that it was a joint decision between the 2 players.
It was then that I re-read all my game rules
(BigVanilla - Allowed)
(Tenderfoot - Allowed)
(FA7 - Not allowed)
(KFIAPB - Not Allowed)
I was confusing split-fleet dodge as mine-fleet dodge in FA7 and to be honest, I wasn't the only one.
Anyways, read above for FA7.
I know my minefields.. but I'm a chaff sweeper.
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| Re: lol Mac cheats |
Fri, 13 May 2011 13:24 |
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| slimdrag00n wrote on Fri, 13 May 2011 22:12 |
| nmid wrote on Fri, 13 May 2011 12:03 |
perhaps I didn't understand eagle-of-fire and slim, but
@ EoF -> I do care. I do want to know if a player breaks a host rule or not.
If I ever play a duel with a player, I would like to search the forum and read a few of his posts or see if there are any threads against him.
And before someone troll posts against my comment above, I'll point out that I'll be skimming through the forums threads long enough, to know if the allegation was substantiated or not.
If someone reads only the allegation, without the rest of the thread, then he's stupid.
@Slim >
Short reply.
No.
Long reply.
I don't care about someone's feelings.
I'm not their mom or gf.
If I break rules, please go ahead and post.
I'll be the 1st to admit my mistake or say "Bugger off".
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You don't have to act like there mom or g/f. But Moms and g/f's can do wonders to teach respect and honor.
You cheated in our dual using Mine Damage Dodge. You acted as if everyone was doing it and as if it wasn't in the known bugs section. I have lots of duals under my belt and 3 auto host games and have never seen it allowed. Maybe it was allowed in a few games I am not in but I bet they specifically stated if it was allowed which was not our case in our dual.
So lump your self in the same category as Mac. It's so Ironic that a cheater is calling another a cheater. Basically making almost every post you have about cheating worth diddly squat in my eyes.
I let it go because you were new and you said you would switch over to the standard way of playing. Even now I could care less about the cheat you made in our dual and would still dual you again. Just like the current people playing Mac not on here harassing his name. People make mistakes maybe you see it a little differently now.
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Actually, true to my word, let me flame you a bit.
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You cheated in our dual using Mine Damage Dodge.
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I didn't cheat. Show me the duel rule that I broke or apologise.
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You acted as if everyone was doing it
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I didn't act. I said it then, I say it again. Go read our chats again.
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and as if it wasn't in the known bugs section.
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You lie. Yes, this is a direct attack. /troll /flame /whatever.
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I have lots of duals under my belt and 3 auto host games and have never seen it allowed.
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See my post above.
2 out of 4 games has it allowed.
Show me on the CHAMPIONSHIP RULES THREAD where it says it's not allowed.
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Maybe it was allowed in a few games I am not in but I bet they specifically stated if it was allowed which was not our case in our dual.
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When you saw it, I was the 1st to admit it.
I didn't deny it.
I didn't agree it wasn't allowed in a duel.
YOU agreed to it after talking to me about it.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, I am a SD. You are an IT.
It helps ME, not having this bug.
It helps YOU, using this bug.
Disclose all the facts or go wear a miniskirt. (refer page 1, last post).
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It's so Ironic that a cheater is calling another a cheater
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I will now call you an aggravating troll.
Using the same logic, here's a troll comment.
A murderer can't call another murderer, a murderer?
Go rethink your sense of irony.
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I let it go because you were new
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So big of you. /sarcasm
I didn't ask for it.
Also, do you realise the meaning of letting it go?
It means not using it in arguments later.
I'm sure being in a relationship, you would want to keep things that have been "let go", stay in the past.. and not brought up in every argument.
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Even now I could care less about the cheat you made in our dual
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Great.
[/quote] and would still dual you again. [/quote]
Great.. same here, I guess.
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and you said you would switch over to the standard way of playing
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I said I'll switch in 3 years as my mine-sweeping was already commencing..
I also offered you to use the mine-dodge option.
I said you can use it against my race (SD).
Remember that?
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Just like the current people playing Mac not on here |
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I know my minefields.. but I'm a chaff sweeper.
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| Re: lol Mac cheats |
Fri, 13 May 2011 13:28 |
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| slimdrag00n wrote on Fri, 13 May 2011 22:46 |
EDIT: I really don't want to argue this because I like you and I was just proving a point that sometimes we all make mistakes and shouldn't judge so harshly.
EDIT again because I quoted my self.
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I like you too.
Never denied that.
I still like you.
<3.
I know my minefields.. but I'm a chaff sweeper.
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| Re: lol Mac cheats |
Fri, 13 May 2011 13:36 |
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| Eagle of Fire wrote on Fri, 13 May 2011 22:52 |
Well, the thing is that I would place that particular one in the same area than chaff. Chaff is not really cheating and is (almost) always allowed...
To be frank, I am surprised to see mine dodge in the cheat disclaimers. Most hosts are simply used to say "standard cheat disclaimer" which basically mean no cheat allowed except those which are not really considered cheating (i.e. chaff, split fleet dodge and repair after gating)... Maybe the hosts need to check to update their "standard cheat disclaimer" here...
The fact is, however, that this issue has been brought up only very recently. You say that you haven't met players who used it, but I have met many players in my games who used that cheat purposely and profusely... But that was before it was called a "cheat". Before it was documented even.
Heck... Ever since I have been told that this mechanism was in effect I have always placed my chaff on my first design slot just in case I ever needed to use it. If I send a fleet with some chaff in a particular battle it could be seen the wrong way... How do yo police that?
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Exactly my point. Policing this is a really tough thing to do.
The max that can be stopped is a single chaff with a minesweeper.
Having other non-chaff ships, makes it tough to police.. but arguably it also looses it's cost advantage.
I remember the honor system eg and the bad apple eg.
One does it, everyone starts doing it.
I know my minefields.. but I'm a chaff sweeper.
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Fri, 13 May 2011 17:13 |
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| m.a@stars |
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| nmid wrote on Fri, 13 May 2011 17:28 |
heh. You know, when you quote and reply to each line, it takes away the "intent" of what the original paragraph or the entire post meant 
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Whoops! That wasn't my intent!  Feel free to point me to the offending snips.
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I wouldn't have thought mac was a cheater if he pop-dropped by mistake, but after the MT meeting AND keeping the MT ships, I do.
If I play against him, I'll know that he's one who doesn't follow host rules.
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Think what you want of him. You're of course entitled to it. Just don't lump him with the true devils. 
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Which is the same level of caution I'll have when faced by someone who abuses the "listed" cheats.
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Oh my... Must I guess then that you've never seen a real cheater in action? Or that you cannot understand the awesome power of destruction they can unleash? 
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I consider cheaters a broader set, which contains the sub-sets of rule-breakers and abusers.
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So if your proposed "improvement" boils down to this, which seems just like the original labels, with so much gratuitously added complexity, why bother? So the lazy whiners don't need to pay attention? 
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You are doing the stars community a disservice by saying that rule-breakers are not cheaters, but you are entitled to your opinion, however incorrect it might be.
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Thas is downright hilarious. If'you've actually said it in all seriousness then it only becomes more hilarious! 
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It shouldn't be considered right, just because it's being done the same way since ages....
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Then improve it. Don't just add complexity and confusion for nothing. 
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I don't see any other "old-timer" (heh) agreeing with your limited definition of cheating.
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By that same logic, do you see many agreeing with yours? 
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cheating is cheating.
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Well, that at least makes sense. That you are so eager to cover everyone with that label is the disturbing bit.
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| Re: lol Mac cheats |
Fri, 13 May 2011 19:32 |
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| m.a@stars |
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| Eagle of Fire wrote on Fri, 13 May 2011 18:45 |
Actually slim, if you refer again to the fact of using an earlier design slot to take the brunt of the damage, that particular exploit has never been outright banned in any game I know or played and, as far as I know, is not part of a standard game disclaimer.
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Please read the long list of known bugs/cheats in the Must Know section before you shoot your other foot. 
Public knowledge of that particular trick is not very old, but it's assumed many players have used it for years.
As for games expressly or implicitly disallowing it, see for example Hagakure, while Tenderfoot allows it mostly because it is not expected to be a problem in a beginner game, or at least not as big a problem as the hassle of policing it.
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