| NAP Breach |
Sat, 28 March 2009 00:54  |
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| Eagle of Fire | 
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Greetings from the Fornaxians.
We, the Fornaxian senate, are sorry to report that the race known as -Rancor- have without warning and without provocation attacked a lone and unarmed Fornaxian scout craft which was orbiting one of their planet bordering our own space.
We, Fornaxians, are appealed by the increasingly shocking actions taken against us by the -Rancor- since we had a slight territorial dispute with them. We might even even have overlooked the whole incident for the sake of upholding peace would our own craft be caught in between the beams of two ennemy ships in the wars -Rancorians- are now waging daily... But our scout was well alone and busy scanning interesting nebulae residue for scientific research when it was ambushed and destroyed to smithereens by an dishonored -Lemure- class attack destroyer.
Trying to bully a peaceful race like us, Fornaxians, to get a free foohold in our core space no doubt to attack us at the right time is one thing we can easily fend off. Sweeping our defensive mine fields which were not in the way of -Rancor- ships in any way is also something we can live with. But we will not stand idle before the senseless barbarians at our doorstep who threaten the lives and the homes of our very own colons! The -Rancor- civilization will remember this date as we take the matter into our own hands and teach them that willingness to peace does not rhyme with weakness of action.
We, Fornaxians, beg other races and other civilizations to consider carefully the warning we bring here to all ready to listen: do not associate and partake in the criminal scheme(s) of the -Rancorian- people. They are barbarians oblivious to the meaning of diplomacy and ready to do anything to get their way out of this pocket universe. Deal with them with extreme caution, and do not allow them to set foot in your own space unless you wish to bring your own empire down to its knee in front of them!
We, the Fornaxian senate, always wish luck and good fortune to other races who, like us, vow to try to keep the universal peace alive and well. May we all, one day, live together freely.
-May your sibblings always fly high and in peace.
-Sage Arknarr, leader of the Fornaxian Senate.
(OOC: it would be nice to know exactly what happens when someone breach an original NAP. I remember some points but I didn't been able to find anything on it. Maybe I am mixing things up with All Quiet II.)
[Updated on: Sat, 28 March 2009 02:04]
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| Re: NAP Breach |
Sat, 28 March 2009 14:22  |
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| craebild wrote on Sat, 28 March 2009 13:38 |
That just leaves one question: Should AlexTheGreat verify that it was a backstab, or is it enough that the victim announces the beckstab ?
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In another case where there was an accidental attack, AlexTheGreat looked into it in the turns. He communicated privately with the offended party, who agreed that it was an accident. There were no penalties assigned.
My point is that I do expect that AlexTheGreat will look into it, communicate with the parties involved, and make a decision base on that.
I do think however that the offended party should send a PM or email to AlexTheGreat to make sure that he is aware of the situation.
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| Re: NAP Breach |
Sat, 28 March 2009 20:33 |
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| Eagle of Fire |
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Well, in any case we need to know exactly what is happening before the next gen... How I will react will definitely change depending of either or not -Rancor- can attack me next turn or not!
Edit: also, I thought it was already said in the game thread that everybody should change their default orders to prevent such problems? If it is the case then it would be no excuse.
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| Re: NAP Breach |
Mon, 30 March 2009 04:53 |
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| Eagle of Fire wrote on Sat, 28 March 2009 16:59 |
AlexTheGreat is the host and thus should take the decision. All what I did so far was to report it and look at the rules. And the rules clearly dictate that any attack on another player is a breach of the NAP.
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The incident has been deemed accidental. Please read the bit below in blue - it applies to everyone.
The Situation
It appears that a -Rancor- ship gated to a planet with the intention of sweeping an Eagle MF the following year & that said ship was set with a BO already set to do the sweeping at the time the ship was gated.
Thus, it seems that the battle that occured was unintentional and I intend to treat this incident as accidental.
To avoid such a possibility you should:
1. Ensure that your sweeping BO has "Attack Who" set to the race who owns the MF to be swept & not Neutrals & Enemies since that might cause you to attack other races as well.
2. Set the sweeping BO for a ship only in the year you will sweep the MF & not at an earlier time in preparation for that action.
3. Do not target the minelayer laying the MF but, instead, target a waypoint at least 1ly away from it.
Also, please sweep only MFs that are clearly of an offensive nature or ones that block your shipping lanes. It is allowable to sweep MFs that serve no defensive purpose to the race laying the MF & where the MF is layed for the purpose of assisting an ally. If you are unsure of whether such sweeping is OK then ask me for a ruling.
Of course this applies only between races where the original NAP still applies between the 2 races in question. If that NAP has ended then both races can do whatever they like.
I must say that I never envisaged the complexity that has arisen from a seemingly simple NAP rule!
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| Re: NAP Breach |
Mon, 30 March 2009 09:44 |
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| -Rancor- wrote on Mon, 30 March 2009 08:07 |
Earlier in the Game, The Bugs and the -Rancor- had a similar situation [...] After I thought about it for just One Second I had realized how retarded that notion was.
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While I do not think 'retarded' is the right descriptor, it certainly was not looking at the 'bigger picture' of the game. On the other hand, given the rules, it is a shock to get attacked without the message ending the NAP.
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I do sincerely apologize to the Bugs for even considering the possibility that you could have been so underhanded.
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No problem. While you did argue initially, you did allow it to be ruled as an accident.
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Now the shoe is on the other foot and I’m the one who is being accused of cheating
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I hope that you will excuse my initial laughter at that. 
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[...] to blowup ‘your one scout’??
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I think that this is the bigger point here. I do not think that any player here would be willing to be set to enemy by every other player in the game, just to kill one scout. If you or any other player were to break the rules, you would do it big, and make sure that you had some significant gains for it. And you would not do it unless you thought you were big enough to win the game on your own. I do not think that we have any beginners here.
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It’s a game. The fun is in the journey. Because it’s a game, its ok to die trying. You’ll fight another day. Winnings good to but not at All costs.
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Agreed, and I think that the other players (at least those that I have had dealings with so far) are playing with both a sense of fun and honor.
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| Re: NAP Breach |
Mon, 30 March 2009 19:03 |
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| Eagle of Fire wrote on Mon, 30 March 2009 15:29 |
While I find the reasons behind the ruling to be quite weak, to say the least, I shall accept the decision without further argument.
I'd like to point out that if I had knew that we would be adding rules to the game only to overlook them later on then I would not have bothered to think about adding the aforementioned rule in the first place...
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Hey, give me a break here.
As a host I always attempt fairness. In retrospect I think that Craebild may have been right after all though (no in-game penalty) but I never envisaged the number of marginal situations that could arise & there was some support for a rule at the time.
Rest assured tho that if a deliberate & verifiable NAP breach occurs the prescribed penalty will be applied.
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| Re: NAP Breach |
Mon, 30 March 2009 19:46 |
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| Eagle of Fire |
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I don't think you'd get an argument from me on that subject, Alex. I was part of those who gave their oppinion and who thought it would not make sense not to have penalties when such a thing happen.
Which is also why I am a little disapointed, and the reason of the end of my last post...
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