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Orgy: When? Wed, 26 November 2008 05:25 Go to next message
magic9mushroom is currently offline magic9mushroom

 
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When should an IS start building a flying orgy?

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Re: Orgy: When? Wed, 26 November 2008 10:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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When there are no greens with lower pop than 25% in the nearby area.
If it takes 3 years to get to a world AND that world will reach 25% on its own in 3 years its not worth sending pop.

For max pop gain all fleets should aim to overflow onto planets - planet after overflow should be 25% (up to 30%).

Depending on your resource model you might want to fill very small greens to 100% (and yellows) before starting the orgy.
Its a Pop Vs Res question.



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Re: Orgy: When? Wed, 26 November 2008 11:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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and, what uses does an orgy have beyond overpop and popdrop?

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Re: Orgy: When? Wed, 26 November 2008 13:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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magic9mushroom wrote on Wed, 26 November 2008 17:07

and, what uses does an orgy have beyond overpop and popdrop?


None.
But overpop (or 'only' filling up your planets 100%) and popdrop are very important.

But the orgie as initially described isn't a really wise use of your pop. Why dropping millions of pop to conquere a world instead of just bringing with you some bombers?

Nevertheless your pop is a mighty weapon
* to support your bombers
* to speed up conquest
* and to populate a newly conquered planet at once
* therefore you can build a starbase / dock rightaway to fuel up

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Re: Orgy: When? Wed, 26 November 2008 22:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As a regular IS player, I view bombers as a support for the popdrop, not the other way around, and really I prefer to packet over bombing. I want to preserve the enemy's infrastructure and people are actually cheaper than factories or mines for a +f IS.

Packet and popdrop, put up a SD and move on.

PS: This why I have AR so much, no popdropping. I have to bring colonizers and wait the extra years to bring the planet into production.


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Re: Orgy: When? Thu, 27 November 2008 01:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OTOH, AR can make better use of pop on the attack due to their square root formula, so it balances out.

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Re: Orgy: When? Thu, 27 November 2008 11:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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To be clear, I hate playing against AR when I'm IS because there is no popdropping on the AR.

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Re: Orgy: When? Thu, 27 November 2008 12:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OH. Now I get ya. From what I can gather, AR are a pain in the butt to conquer unless you do it very methodically and have large habs.

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Re: Orgy: When? Thu, 27 November 2008 14:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's more that you don't get anything out of an AR world. Some minerals, sure, but no infrastructure. Worlds of other races at least give you mines, and maybe factories as well.


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Re: Orgy: When? Thu, 27 November 2008 17:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And if they have a turn warning and freighters, you only kill 100 population per starbase Razz


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Re: Orgy: When? Fri, 28 November 2008 11:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No. You'll always kill 3% + 100 unless they have like 2000 colonisers sitting there. AR have mobile production, but said mobility is bad for their health. Twisted Evil

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Re: Orgy: When? Fri, 28 November 2008 12:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Marduk wrote on Thu, 27 November 2008 13:31

It's more that you don't get anything out of an AR world. Some minerals, sure, but no infrastructure. Worlds of other races at least give you mines, and maybe factories as well.


I don't view it that way. I love AR neighbors. They are usually an easy kill if you don't let them get the fountain up, and they barely touch the mineral concentrations. Sure you have to build infrastructure. However, for an IS with an Orgy, that is trivial. Just set your pop on the planet to 300% and everything builds pretty fast.

I would rather have intact min cons, then infrastructure. And, you still get another planet to create res for research.

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Re: Orgy: When? Sat, 21 February 2009 05:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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vonKreedon wrote on Fri, 28 November 2008 02:54

To be clear, I hate playing against AR when I'm IS because there is no popdropping on the AR.


Hmmm. I know you can auto drop pop on an AR world the same turn as destroy the base.

I don't recall getting any tech doing that though.

Anybody know if you do?

Sulpholobus.


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Re: Orgy: When? Sat, 21 February 2009 07:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You can't get tech from pop dropping the AR, I was pretty sure anyway but I've just put a quick testbed together with an AR (3 tech fields higher) colonising 14 planets and then an IT killing them off and dropping pop the same turn and it never received any tech. Not too surprising since they live entirely on the starbase which you've just blown into tiny little pieces.

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Re: Orgy: When? Sat, 21 February 2009 09:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The only tech you can get from AR is battle salvage. You cant even pop drop the planet. Colonizers will be needed to establish your colony once the starbase has been destroyed.

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Xardre wrote on Sat, 21 February 2009 14:43

The only tech you can get from AR is battle salvage. You cant even pop drop the planet. Colonizers will be needed to establish your colony once the starbase has been destroyed.

You can pop drop the planet the same year the starbase is destroyed and save yourself a coloniser, try it, you can't receive any tech from doing so however.

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Re: Orgy: When? Sun, 22 February 2009 06:58 Go to previous message
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Hi!
You need ground combat to get the tech. Since planet's empty (like with bombed-out planets), there's no combat. You can drop the pop because the invisible "colony support module" is still on the planet. It's removed after boming and WP-1 tasks are done.

BR, Iztok


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