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Path of mineral packages Wed, 22 November 2006 13:11 Go to next message
Altruist is currently offline Altruist

 
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Is there any way to calculate where a package will be the following turn after it has been thrown?

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Re: Path of mineral packages Wed, 22 November 2006 15:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm not aware of a tool to calculate this. However, I have been successful doing this in a couple of ways. The obvious and easiest is if a packet was thrown earlier and you marked its location. The other is to give a fleet orders to move from the originating planet to the target planet and then insert an intermediate WP at the appropriate distance from the originating planet; e.g., 50ly, and delete the other two WPs.

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Re: Path of mineral packages Wed, 22 November 2006 18:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I haven't actually used it but the "Interception" section in Stars! Calculator 3.06 gives the coordinates. Here's the link:
http://starsautohost.org/files/starscalc306.zip

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Re: Path of mineral packages Fri, 24 November 2006 18:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's fairly easy to calculate if you know the direction and speed the packet will be traveling. Packets travel 1/2 the distance of the warp they are thrown at the year they are thrown.

Simply set a waypoint to the planet and then measure out the next waypoint and you can do it with a little trial and error in the map screen. This won't work though for packets travelling at warps above 10.

Starscalc will provide the intercept co-ordinates for the full warp travel of the packet - you'll have to reduce the location by half yourself.

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Re: Path of mineral packages Fri, 24 November 2006 22:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, thanks for the replies.

But in practice:
Let's take a mineral package at warp 10, moving 50 ly the first year. 50ly is quite tricky because you can't simluate the path with a ship travelling at any warp-speed.

And let's also take into account that you don't want to know where about but where exactly the package is, therefore you can direct your freighters to this place to intercept the package.

While talking about interception: I think the very same problem arises with the Stars!-Calculator Interception page... 50ly isn't a distance or speed you can use there.

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Re: Path of mineral packages Fri, 24 November 2006 22:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No - you CAN find the exact location for a packet travelling at warp 10 from it's launch point. It is only at warps above 10 that you will need to start doing mathematical calculations.

Simply send any ship to the launch planet (maximum warp) doesn't matter if it has fuel or not. Then, send the same ship the destination planet of the expected packet. Zoom in to 200 or 400% and drag the ships destination to down towards the launch point on the direct line. You will find the the exact location that the packet will be at after the first year of launch by looking at the the distance travelled from the launch point to the destination point at warp 10, then dividing by 2. Drag your waypoint to that distance and you know where the packet will be (take roundiong into account since co-ordinates are in whole numbers).

All this info isn't very helpfull though since mineral packet launches by enemies tend to happen rather sporadically unless your enemy is a Packet Physics race - and, PP's will vary the speed of packets from year to year + have warfleets following them.

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Re: Path of mineral packages Tue, 28 November 2006 13:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Other trick that may help is to download the PLC (packet location calculator) from starsFAQ site:
http://www.starsfaq.com/download.htm#site
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Re: Path of mineral packages Wed, 29 November 2006 10:55 Go to previous message
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Kotk wrote on Tue, 28 November 2006 19:30

Other trick that may help is to download the PLC (packet location calculator) from starsFAQ site:
http://www.starsfaq.com/download.htm#site
Wink


Thanks a lot.
That's what I was looking for. Nice tool and the results are exact (as far as I can see for now).

Thanks also to the other answeres.

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