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| Re: Random Ideas |
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| m.a@stars wrote on Wed, 24 August 2011 22:27 |
| goober wrote on Wed, 24 August 2011 02:44 |
make it possible to acquire such a technology through battle/pop drops.
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Wouldn't that blur the differences between races a bit too much? 
In other words, only IT races have spent enough gazillion years gating around to have evolved the very particular abilities needed to gate thru infinity and not implode in the process... 
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I was commenting on not needing an MT to enable the gain of race specific technology, not whether it was desired/balanced/fair.
Besides, to a certain extent, such trading already exists ofc: TD's, OA's etc.
But, if you gain inf/300 gate technology you haven't automatically gained the ability to overgate to the same extent an IT does, nor can you ship pop or minerals so you still have considerable IT advantages.
So while some blurring will occur, it is distinctly limited where it is the innate, non-technological advances that make the race different.
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| Re: Random Ideas |
Wed, 24 August 2011 10:35 |
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| m.a@stars |
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| goober wrote on Wed, 24 August 2011 15:15 |
I was commenting on not needing an MT to enable the gain of race specific technology, not whether it was desired/balanced/fair.
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Ahhh, but then the cost/ease of getting a potentially game-changer tech/ability would be a part of the balance. 
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if you gain inf/300 gate technology you haven't automatically gained the ability to overgate to the same extent an IT does, nor can you ship pop or minerals so you still have considerable IT advantages.
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But an HE or even a WM could benefit a lot from being able to gate warships, even the most massive ones. 
A WM could get to build its own minelayers too, and there would be gone one of its most distinctive disadvantages. 
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So while some blurring will occur, it is distinctly limited where it is the innate, non-technological advances that make the race different.
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So, JoaTs would still be unable to trade their fabulously cheap scanships? 
So many Stars, so few Missiles!
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| Re: Random Ideas |
Wed, 24 August 2011 17:04 |
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| goober |
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| m.a@stars wrote on Thu, 25 August 2011 00:35 |
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if you gain inf/300 gate technology you haven't automatically gained the ability to overgate to the same extent an IT does, nor can you ship pop or minerals so you still have considerable IT advantages.
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But an HE or even a WM could benefit a lot from being able to gate warships, even the most massive ones.
A WM could get to build its own minelayers too, and there would be gone one of its most distinctive disadvantages.
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So they may get played more often in Vanilla games rather than in more specialized ones thereby adding more variety. If the costs of the technologies is right, I doubt they'd be a game-breaker ... and you'll note I suggested particular conditions to be able to acquire tech in this way ...
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e.g. if you have 3 levels above each of the required techs for any/300 gate and you destroy one, then you get a small chance of learning the technology for yourself OR it may be that you must have a minimum of level 10 in each tech before the ability to gain such technologies can even kick in (otherwise everyone would want to be friends with or always attacking JoaT scouting hulls).
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... which would mean such races would still need to survive a good time into the game before they could benefit from such things.
i.e. to get minelayers through battle the WM would first need to have researched bio7 for the first possibiliy or bio10 for the second.
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So while some blurring will occur, it is distinctly limited where it is the innate, non-technological advances that make the race different.
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So, JoaTs would still be unable to trade their fabulously cheap scanships?
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Hmmmm. Seems so.
JoaT's always get it tough 
But you might argue that the hull itself is the technology so it can be passed on.
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