Hi,

I need help on playing as ARs.

I tried playing ARs using Growth Rate (5% to 18%)
and I can't seems to be able to meet the 25K2450 mark.
(I have yet to play Multi-players game).

Is that such things as Monster ARs?

Presently, I'm sticking to the following settings.

AR
IFE, ARM, ISB, MA.
Tri-Immune, 5% growth rate.
Coefficient : 8
Energy, Weapon, Construction & Electronic : 50% less cost
Proplusion : Normal cost
Biology : 75% more cost

With the above setting I manage to play against 16 AIs (Experts) fairly well. But I have a feeling that it is not good against Players in MP Games.

Help?

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No AR has much of a chance in a MP game, unless there is a lot of space between him and the other players (a huge universe with 2 players for example ) or when he is a good diplomat and can convince the other players to _let_ him live ...

If this happens an AR _can_ (and most likely _will_) turn into a monster (unless you really screwed up race design). An AR has a tremendous research capacity since it doesn't need to build any planetary installations. AR can pump a lot of resources into nub research, or spend those resources in miners and get their mineral fountain running, no stopping them when that happens!
Also don't bother with 25k and other resource based benchmarks, or like some say double the ARs resources and you have what a planetary race would have.

An example of an AR that won a game No credit to me for the design, just another variation on William Butlers Ducknoids (do a google search in the Stars! newsgroup for articles about that race, very good race design).
LRTs: IFE, NRSE, ARM, ISB, NAS, LSP (yes a lot)
Habitat: grav immune, temp -60/124, rad 16/48, gives 1 in 6, growth is 15% (AR work VERY well with low growth, keep in mind that Death Stars can hold upto 3 million pop! That's about 120.000 pop growth for a 100% green at 33% pop hold)
Coeff at 10
Tech: eny/con/weap are cheap, rest is expensive, no start at 3, that would make the first eny research more expensive and you don't want that.

Also follow more or less this research plan (don't know who came up with it, found it somewhere on the web years ago).

1.energy to 4 at least.
(1a. Propulsion 2 if you have IFE)
2.con to 3 in order to move.
3.energy to 5-7 or so.
4.con 4 for spacedock hulls and privateers.
5.weapons 5 for initial terraforming.
6.energy exclusively to level 10.
7.con to 12 for ultrastations.
8.weapons 10 for terraforming (and defense)
9.energy to 16
10.con to deathstars.
11.then weapons to 16.
12.After that research things you need

regards,
mch

[Edit: hm, maybe this thread is be

[Updated on: Tue, 28 January 2003 19:02]

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NAS? sorry cant agree with that LRT unless its on a PP or a JOAT, I tried building death stars with NAS and no PS came up luckily that was a test and not a MP game

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The Taubat wrote on Tue, 28 January 2003 19:11

NAS? sorry cant agree with that LRT unless its on a PP or a JOAT, I tried building death stars with NAS and no PS came up luckily that was a test and not a MP game

Oh, don't get me wrong, I was not recommending NAS for AR (like the topic might make you believe), I was merely posting an AR I used in a MP before.

But to discuss that LRT:
As an AR it is even more important to see what is coming your way so you can evacuate your starbases.
Penscans are good for this to see planet hoppers, OTOH NAS is _also_ good since you'll have a higher chance on spotting cloacked fleets when deepspace ... so what is "best"?

Personnaly I wouldn't trust my penscans anyway, there can always be a cloacked fleet in orbit (requires even less cloacking than deepspace!) so I will try to have cheap ships on every planet to look out for such a fleet. So I figured taht if I'm doing that I might as well drop penscans entirely
You do lose the free penscans that come with ultras and Death Stars but you have better protection against cloacked fleets ...

regards,
mch

[Updated on: Tue, 28 January 2003 19:20]

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Hi again,

I was wondering about the research progress.

Will the following works?

Enery to 8 or 12
Propulsion 2,
Construction 4 (for Space Dock, & Destroyer)
Propulsioin 6, (for rad RAM)
Weapon 12 (for Jihad).
Construction 7 or 12 (either for Miner or Maxi-miner)
Electronics 4 or 6 (Robo-Maxi or Super Roba-Maxi).

at this stage : should have a "Mini-Mineral Fountain".

Construction 13 (Battle ship)
Weapon 20 (Doomsday Missiles)
Construction 17 (Deathstars)or Weapon 24 (Armegeddon).

I'm trying to progress to "Advance & Expert" level game using AR.
(But I can't do it untill I can confirm to have a "Monster AR" or "Good Designed AR" to match the level of the games.

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Heck, I can't even beat the AI with an AR race. When I play AR, the word "suck" takes on a whole new meaning!

I'm playing in a game right now where 4 out of 7 players are AR, and it's scary for me, because I have no idea what they can accomplish. I have no frame of reference, because any AR race that I play are a bunch of limbless retards who can't think, can't build, can't mine, and can't see. All I know is that the AR players I'm up against arn't that lame; obviously they know stuff that I don't. Math, probably. Anyways, I've given up on using the force - my miners use shovels from now on, and live planetside like the good lord intended. Planetary scanners, yeah baby!

And while we're talking about AR, how come they don't die by the handfuls every time their starbase takes a volley of fire? Creepy little boogers die just trying to travel, so I'd think the impact of weapons on their starbase hull would be hell for them whether the base was destroyed or not.

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