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A Poll of the Candidates Positions on... Thu, 11 March 2004 20:32 Go to next message
jrbuller is currently offline jrbuller

 
Petty Officer 3rd Class

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Registered: February 2004
Location: Clearwater, FL
Greetings and Salutations!

As "President" is somewhat a parody of politics at large, I felt a brief survey of opinions was in order. (After all, what's politics without opinion polls???!)

In real politics, candidates have a "platform", stated positions that form the basis of their "campaign". Here's a chance for you to start building your platform.

Most of the players, at this point, are involved in a tech swapping scheme, which includes as part of it, a NAP. My question today involves whether or not a specific action involves an "act of aggression".

The scenario (purely hypothetical, of course) -

Given the pie-shaped nature of the universe, a player identifies his nearest neighbors and negotiates border treaties with them. These "borders" tend to take the form of "a line from PCP to x", where x is a planet on the outer band, and everything on one side of the line is "yours", etc. As other players enter his space, he informs them of the "borders", and asks them to respect those borders.

One player colonizes within these borders, unknowingly, and also proceeds to send other colony ships to other planets within the established "borders". After being notified of the borders, he reaches an arrangement with player whose borders he has violated, concerning the one or two specific planets he had colonies on, or colonizers enroute to.

The player who has established these borders makes the agreements as a concession, in hopes of preventing conflict and creating some good will. The other player offers nothing in return.

The game proceeds, until suddenly, one turn, the player who has established his borders, has clearly communicated those borders and his preference that planets NOT be colonized within those borders, sees a colony ship headed straight to the middle of his territory.

Question - Is this an act of aggression? How should the player respond?

Remember - the other player knows the borders, and understands the preference of the other players in regard to colonizing within these borders... He could have asked, he could have sent an e-mail, but he does not. He just proceeds to send the ships into the other players space.

I am curious as to the types of responses other players would take to this, in a hypothetical situation, of course. So, I will put the matter to the public at large. What say you?

As any good politician would state, I welcome your opinions.....

Jonathan, Leader of the Federalists

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icon6.gif  Re: A Poll of the Candidates Positions on... Fri, 12 March 2004 22:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TomTries is currently offline TomTries

 
Crewman 2nd Class

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Borders, Smorders!

Borders are imaginary lines drawn by those who think they are owed something for nothing. Just because your home world is at location x, that does not imply that mean that the area around x belongs to you? Borders are worth their weight in reality, exactly nothing.

If a player could have used a planet within his “borders”, he should have settled it. Did he consider that denying someone else of a planet that he cannot use, based on location alone, is the “act of aggression”, not sending a colonizer to an uninhabited planet?

I say let your people grow and let your neighbors grow. Help your neighbor grow and he can return the favor. Don’t deny growth based on location alone. In this small universe, we are all neighbors. Don’t liter it with artificial fences. They only create artificial antagonism.

The only things agreed to at the start of the game in this universe is that we each have a home world and that PCP is the President Seat for which we are all vying. I do not remember any mention of borders. I see no reason for there to be any borders in an open universe.

Tom of the Alliance Party

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Re: A Poll of the Candidates Positions on... Fri, 12 March 2004 23:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jrbuller is currently offline jrbuller

 
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Tom,

Is the only valid use of a planet to colonize it? If a planet near my homeworld has a good mineral concentration, but is very red for me, and I target it for a remote miner fleet, only to find that someone whose homeworld is on the opposite side of the universe has parked 2500 colonists there, how should I respond? Just curious....

Jonathan

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icon6.gif  Re: A Poll of the Candidates Positions on... Sat, 13 March 2004 00:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TomTries is currently offline TomTries

 
Crewman 2nd Class

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Be open and frank. Tell the settler that you were going to use the planet for mining. Perhaps he can help you with part of the minerals. Perhaps he help you find a world near his home world that you can settle while he cannot, thus giving both a place to grow and minerals also. Turn the situation into a win-win situation for the both of you.

Perhaps easier said than done, but it can be done. At least that is my two cents worth of wisdom.

Tom of the Alliance

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Re: A Poll of the Candidates Positions on... Sat, 13 March 2004 14:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jrbuller is currently offline jrbuller

 
Petty Officer 3rd Class

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You're right, that it is worth the effort, and you're right, it is easier said than done.

I'm new enough to the Stars! PBEM community to still be trying to figure out how to handle the human element of game strategy. In a smaller universe like this, the dynamics are different. One of the last games I participated in, was a little more roomy, and borders made more sense.

Of course, it's the human element of Stars! Strategy that makes the game worth playing, IMHO!

Well, thanks for the input, Tom! I appreciate your candor!

Jonathan

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Re: A Poll of the Candidates Positions on... Mon, 05 April 2004 10:42 Go to previous message
Natdad is currently offline Natdad

 
Crewman 3rd Class

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Registered: April 2004
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Ha Ha Laughing I can guess who you are "hypothetically" talkin bout Jon. It is a good thing we are all unusually reasonable in this unusual game. I also am "staking" mining worlds. Woe to the player that does not honor another player's mining claims. Why, that would be cause for war, don't you think? Twisted Evil Rgds, - Joel

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