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| Re: Shadows Techs |
Tue, 10 April 2007 14:38   |
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My vote for elec 10 was quite simple:
each scout, FF, DD a free 100/400-ly scanner.
En-10? Terraforming is interesting. of course, and for Spoo the 100-shield but wouldn't an IS use the croby-shield even with en10?
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| Re: Shadows Techs |
Tue, 10 April 2007 14:48 |
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| Micha | 
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| Altruist wrote on Tue, 10 April 2007 20:38 |
My vote for elec 10 was quite simple:
each scout, FF, DD a free 100/400-ly scanner.
En-10? Terraforming is interesting. of course, and for Spoo the 100-shield but wouldn't an IS use the croby-shield even with en10?
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I voted eny10, .. elec10 is nice but no good, elec11 however would be good to boost the jihads, euhm, which jihads?  Eny10 is better shields, always useful especially for RS races ... euhm wait, croby? ... ah right, playing IS in this one.
mch
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| Re: Shadow alliance: communication |
Thu, 26 April 2007 11:45 |
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btw: I've started to send the Shadows some intel from time to time, so far:
# Hyak/Vorlon fleet deployment in the SE
# Ipsha fleet in orbit of Magellan
From now on I'll either post my emails to Shadows in here or give a small abstract.
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| Re: Shadow alliance: communication |
Fri, 27 April 2007 07:55 |
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| Altruist wrote on Thu, 26 April 2007 11:45 |
btw: I've started to send the Shadows some intel from time to time, so far:
# Hyak/Vorlon fleet deployment in the SE
# Ipsha fleet in orbit of Magellan
From now on I'll either post my emails to Shadows in here or give a small abstract.
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Me too. Told them similar stuff ty + Earthling/Vorlon movements in the west.
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| 2470: from Shadows to Spoo |
Sat, 28 April 2007 06:55 |
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Note the passage about Minbari and the relation status of NArn=enemy, pak'ma'ra=neutral.
| Shadows replying to Spoo |
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:37:42 +0200
Hi Patrick,
This is exactly the problem with this game as a whole - the setup game the Inner Strength race a massive advantage over the SS race. This would have been offset if the planet limit hadn't been set OR if the SS race was allowed to colonize more planets than the IS.
I agree - in a normal game, SPOO would be happy to fight Centauri. Shadows would be happy to help Centauri fight SPOO.
This game is not a normal game. I just destroyed the 2 gates that the VA could have jumped to so that will slow them down.
The only victory condition I see in this game now is defeating the VA by combining all the IA and SA together - there is no other option. Even with this, we may not win, but we stand a chance.
The Shadows have now been set to have the SA members (Centauri, Dilgar and Martian), plus SPOO, Llort, Drakh and Gaim at friendly status. Ipsha, Hyak, Narn and Vorlon are set to enemy, pak,ma,ra and Minbari are at neutral. Races in the SA and IA need space to grow and, probably this means the sacrifice of the Minbari.
Kind Regards,
Ptolemy
Emperor of a Thousand Suns
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| Re: Shadow alliance: communication |
Mon, 30 April 2007 03:01 |
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I sent this (before seeing the Gaim message). It was in response to the accidental message sent from the Centauri - see below.
| Llort wrote on Mon, 30 April 2007 08:55 |
Subject: Re: Babylon5 2470
I received this message that may not have been intended for me.
Please do not break down the levels of cooperation that is critical to maximise SA/IA chances against the VA.
Both the SPOO & the Gaim have put away their daggers & we are all committed against the VA menace. Times have changed & relationships have with it. Kinda like in WW II when Western Europe/USA fought on the same side as the Russians. If the VA is to be defeated we need to cooperate & combine. We should all have friend status with the others - I am willing to talk about a formal agreement to that end if you wish & I know that the Gaim favour such an approach. Tho the SPOO have not said so in as many words, the fact that they have recently begun providing intel reports to the Shadows & that they are talking (within the IA) about combined SA/IA strategy indicates that they too would sign an agreement. The Pak/Hyak relationship has been an odd one - Hyaks have been helping the Pak with OAs but this year the Hyaks have activated their NAP exit clause with the Pak so that is about to change - you can be confident that the Pak too will be fighting against the VA.
So I urge you all to work with the IA in a close & cooperative way. I know all the core IA members well - you can be sure that there will be no treachery from the IA side.
It seems to me that the central area (planets such as Lhasa, Dipstick) is emminently suited for packet attacks against the VA - they have a number of young planets in the area that could be eliminated with relatively small packets. It may also be worth talking with the SPOO about planets (such as Nada) in the south-central east - I don't know if those planets have suitable habs but maybe the Centauri & SPOO could talk about planet exchange since the 2 races have complimentary habs.
BTW the Narn have asked me to take over their turns - apparently ADG_Wraith's wife is very sick in hospital & he is spending his spare time with her. With that in mind I would appreciate it if you could all set the Narn to friend. The race is very weak & will probably lose their 3 remaining planets soon but I am transfering some of my scouts to them - since they are WM their intel is quite valuable. I thought about the appropriateness of this but have decided that the Narn are technically in the IA anyway so I think that it's OK - I also sought & received approval from the host.
John/Llort
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Tyra" <mardukgkob@gmail.com>
To: "Ptolemy" <ptolemy.stars@gmail.com>; <altruist@arglos.net>
Cc: "John McDonald" <mcdonaldjk@optusnet.com.au>; "J U" <space1123@hotmail.com>; "Chris Whitaker" <whitakercd@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: Babylon5 2470
Greetings;
> > > Marduk - your packets are the only thing that will hurt the VA badly and you need to set up mass drivers with zillions of minerals available to kill any planet they start to set up. This means that you need planets farther south to set up.
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> > I truly hope this is not the case - the early population losses we suffered from the comet and then from the SPOOmun have left us with a lot of catching up to do. As well, the SPOOmun minefields are blocking us from moving south in the east, and they are adding to their population on Foch - the colony they stole from us. Given that and the fact that they attacked Centauri ships two years in a row after the supposed truce, I have no reason to believe they will honor their side of any bargain. Once could have been attributed to an error in orders; twice clearly means they have no intention of holding to a truce.
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> > Some of our resources will still have to go towards building ships to defend ourselves against the SPOOmun Complat, regardless of any assurances they offer - and certainly I cannot place any colonies where they will be at the mercy of the SPOOmun. Given the threat posed by the Vorlons and their minions, I will abandon our claim on Foch and not advance into SPOOmun space - but our orders are now to attack SPOOmun ships as we encounter them and they will remain that way. I cannot allow the SPOOmun to come any farther north, where they would pose an even greater threat. I will also have to send ships periodically to make sure their minefields do not grow enough to destroy any of our ships.
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> > Before complaining about Centauri intransigence, bear in mind that any losses we take from SPOOmun attacks are just as damaging as any we might take from the Vorlons. We simply seek to prevent any such losses.
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> > Lord Tuscano, Emperor, Centauri Prime
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| Re: Shadow alliance: communication |
Mon, 30 April 2007 07:59 |
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I'Ve been in contact with the Shadows and they urged me to contact the Centauri which I did. Above email, the below part, is part of their answere... almost a declaration of war instead of cooperation.
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| Shadow communication 2499 |
Thu, 16 August 2007 04:53 |
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I have been talking to Ptolemy & the results are quite illuminating. It seems that he will concede to the IA if we can defeat the VA.
Should we reveal our plan? Opinions please.
| John McDonald wrote on Mon, 13 August 2007 12:14 |
I need to know whether Elec12 will be scrapped this year. Otherwise I need to research it.
From your statements re. chances to win I'm not sure if you are conceding that the SA cannot win & that you are willing to help the IA at your expense? If so then I will talk to the other IA members about strategy, how best to co-ordinate & report on our plans.
We haven't heard anything about holding beyond today so I expect the gen to procede on schedule.
John/Llort
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| Ptolemy wrote on Wed, 15 August 2007 1:11 |
For all effective purposes, I don't see the SA being able to win. For one thing, there appears to be one dead member of the SA. I'm willing though to help the IA win. So, to this end, there is already about 1000 chaff on the Shadow HW. More ships will be built. Weaps 20 is now 3 turns away.
The best way I see helping the IA win is to get the necessary tech to the IA and sit back and wait for them to get enough push into the VA areas. IF the IA gets to the Vorlon HW and controls the orbit, the Shadows will simply capitulate the Shadow HW - i.e. delete all ships and the orbital design in orbit of the HW - only one IA ship needs to be present in orbit to fulfill the victory condition.
In all honesty, with all that the IA has done in this game, the SA doesn't deserve a victory - the IA does.
The Shadows are very tight on slots now - too many are being used for tech levels to give away. I need to know what the IA wants first, and, most importantly, where specifically to send it. I will, of course, keep the wolf lamb sites supplied - currently going there is C14.
I do not know how the Centauri, Martians or Dilgar feel about this, but communications from them are sporadic at best. So, again to be honest, I do not really care how they feel about it all. OF the 3, I would like to try to keep Centauri on board and help get mass drivers built. He certainly has cheap energy and W13 drivers will be able to screw up the VA plans very well.
This may all soon be moot - Ipsha has BB's that just came through a wormhole south of Senility. I can kill the existing ships by building more (and pushing W20 out by 2 years probably) - if more comes though and heads for the Shadow HW - hmmm... I don't know. Martians should kill the 3 Ipsha
cruisers south of Grape and Ipsha has a freighter about to arrive at Arnold to get Gates to build a gate there.
Kind Regards,
Ptolemy
Emperor of a Thousand Suns
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| John McDonald wrote on Wed, 15 August 2007 10:03 |
I will talk to the other IA members & report. Spoo/Patrick is away for about 5 days but if the rest of us are of a similar mind it won't matter.
Also, thanks for your generous praise of the IA. We have made only one major mistake I can think of - should have standardised on scout chaff instead of frigate because of the higher attractiveness - makes a big difference due to crowding because our BB shields are usually drained in battle round 1 so making them more attractive than frigate chaff but, assuming the BBs are not badly damaged, the scout chaff remains more attractive (my thoughts - the IA as a whole have not discussed that). Apart from that I'm pretty happy with our performance.
Re. the Ipsha BBs at the WH. I believe that this WH just moved from the SW corner; it has been a huge problem in my southern empire throughout the game - those ships may have been intended to mount a defence at Applegate/Mother which are the only remaining Ipsha planets in my area (I've taken Zucchini, Aries & Dive over the last 3 years). Having said that it is a new method of invading Shadow territory & quite a good one. Still it
should take a while to assemble a big enough fleet.
The game rules say that the population of an Elder HW has to be removed to consider it defeated. Don't forget that, if you want to transfer Red Pirates to the IA at the appropriate times, the SA & IA together can make bombing a very difficult task even using Hyak's HaB bombers.
Have you reached weap18 yet? Transfering that lessens the Weap20 lead time when it becomes available.
Cheers,
John/Llort
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| Ptolemy wrote on Thu, 16 August 2007 4:59 |
Yes, weaps 18 is now available. Looking at what to delete to make a slot free for tech transfers.
When it comes down to it (if it does), we'll deal with defending the Shadow HW. As for removing all the pop to give the planet over to the IA for a victory condition if we get that far, that will be easy Shadows will simply move the pop into freighters - no need to bomb.
The rules don't say anything about an Elder vacating the HW 
Kind Regards,
Ptolemy
Emperor of a Thousand Suns
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