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Cute lil fluffy kittens, in a box Sun, 14 September 2003 22:27 Go to next message
Dogthinkers is currently offline Dogthinkers

 
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(Edited by moderator to include changes requested by author)

Reversing the concept of RWIAB...

Races:
+f races only - defined as factory settings MUST be 15/x/25
AR races banned
CA races banned (because of orbital adjuster)
All the other PRTs are fine, but I'd *prefer* not to see any HE races...

Galaxy:
Accelerated BBS Play: Enabled
No Random Events: Enabled
Size: Medium
Density: Sparse
Players: Farther

Rules:
No cheats/exploits are permitted
Chaff is allowed
'Reasonable' fleet splitting is permitted, 'abuse' of fleet splitting is banned.
-- Use of fleet splitting to try to get attacking fleets past defending fleets is abuse.
---- An ATTACKING fleet may only be split in order to attack multiple targets.
---- A fleet may be split as many times as you like IF the ENTIRE fleet is RETREATING.

Victory:
Rank 1 after 2525
PPS after 2510

Generations:
M-F at 3AM GMT
I will generate 3 turns at a time for the first two weeks.
If Ron has space, the game will be hosted on autohost. Otherwise I will host the game using 2.7J RC4.

-----

I'm ideally looking for 6-8 players. If we have more or less players I will adjust the galaxy settings to suit.
I can see the nightmare scenarios of playing in a game I am hosting, so I will ONLY be hosting and NOT playing
Email your race files and passwords to clfkiab AT yahoo DOT co DOT uk

(Edited by moderator to include changes requested by author)


[Updated on: Tue, 23 September 2003 23:02] by Moderator


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Re: Cute lil fluffy kittens, in a box Sun, 14 September 2003 22:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
The Taubat is currently offline The Taubat

 
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want a suggestion? LOWER THE FAC SETTINGS Mad2 there is NO WAY in heck that 15/X/25 can be a viable race, try something like 10/X/10, and also, get a nuetral third party to verify races.


Royal Sha'a'kar of the Taubat people

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Re: Cute lil fluffy kittens, in a box Sun, 14 September 2003 23:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Why can't the 15/X/25 be a viable race???

A 10/X/10???? Shocked Puke2

Looks like a great game for those HP fans.

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icon9.gif  Re: Cute lil fluffy kittens, in a box Mon, 15 September 2003 00:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Taubat wrote on Mon, 15 September 2003 12:33

LOWER THE FAC SETTINGS Mad2 there is NO WAY in heck that 15/X/25 can be a viable race, try something like 10/X/10


Easy, Mr Shouty, you'll make me cry Crying or Very Sad Crying

The idea is that ALL the empires are 15/X/25 - reverse of -F races. If they are *all* 15/x/25, then they are all viable by definition... Rolling Eyes I might be tempted to lower the fac settings to 15/x/15, or 10/x/25, but lower destroys the concept. This isn't just a 'no -f', it's a +f... Twisted Evil

Quote:

get a nuetral third party to verify races.


Of course Rolling Eyes

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Re: PRTs Mon, 15 September 2003 00:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My reasoning for (possibly) banning 3 of the PRTs:

AR - No factories.

CA - With so much emphasis on heavy investment on planets, I'm worried the orbital adjuster provides a much too easy way to capture a planet with factories intact.

HE - I'm not sure that I want ALL the races to be 4% tri-immune...

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Re: Cute lil fluffy kittens, in a box Mon, 15 September 2003 07:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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::reminds himself not to come onto the board at midnight:: I completely forgot about HP races, if I wasnt so darn busy I might play just to get the feeling of an HP race.


Royal Sha'a'kar of the Taubat people

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Re: Cute lil fluffy kittens, in a box Mon, 15 September 2003 09:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm in, but I won't send a race until the game parameters are fixed. Come on, give us a deadline! Whip

Interesting how most people seem to be afraid of playing against CA. Oh well, I'll just have to win using something else then Smug

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Re: Cute lil fluffy kittens, in a box Thu, 18 September 2003 17:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My suggestion to keep the concept and make it vaguely sane to make races is to require 13+/x/17+.

That's more than an HG, actually low for an HP, and about the QS range. It'd be hard to design for much more than that, but it certainly is enough to have a high planetary investment.

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Re: Cute lil fluffy kittens, in a box Thu, 18 September 2003 20:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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that sounds sane... I'll have a little play with the race wizard to see what that does to the spread of races, but I think you are definately on to something - this way there will still be a (small) spread of race types - a 13/x/17 would then be HG in this game. Laughing

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Re: PRTs Thu, 18 September 2003 21:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dogthinkers wrote on Mon, 15 September 2003 00:43


HE - I'm not sure that I want ALL the races to be 4% tri-immune...


I wouldn't suggest banning HE. A 4% HE would be lucky to be in the runnings at 2500, it is a fairly slow race at ramping up. And econ is going to be the main factor. I've played one before and I was sorely lacking. 5% or 6% are much better off and that puts them in a similar ballpark as everyone else.

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Re: Cute lil fluffy kittens, in a box Thu, 18 September 2003 21:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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CA

IFE
NRSE
TT
OMRM
NAS
Grav .65 - 1.76
Temp -48 - 80
Rad 36 - 68
1/24 starting (gets better FAST!)
19%
1/1000 pop eff
15/9/23 No G Box
10/4/13 mines

Bio Cheap, rest exp

The No G box hurts at first. I've taken this race to 80k with minimal MM in a small packed. Easily could have doubled it with a few hours of hard core MM.

+F races are viable, but up against QS/HG, they just can't compete early on.



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Re: Cute lil fluffy kittens, in a box Thu, 18 September 2003 23:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That sounds pretty good... There won't be any need to worry so much about being terrorised by HG/-f style empires in this game Very Happy

Of course I've already said that CA will probably be banned in this game (because the Fire bounce orbital adjuster Fire bounce will make it far too easy to capture planets with all those factories intact Twisted Evil )

I expect it should be possible to achieve similar results using TT and other PRTs, although all that intensive terraforming of red planets is gonna slow down your ramp-up time significantly. Sad

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Re: Cute lil fluffy kittens, in a box Sun, 21 September 2003 22:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Factory Settings[ 18 votes ]
1. 15/x/25 factories 15 / 83%
2. 13+/x/17+ factories 3 / 17%

OK, I wanna know what people think about the factory settings. Sherlock

I like the idea of a fixed 15/x/25 factory settings game, as I think it changes the play style quite significantly. However it might lead to players with hab bands so narrow that there will be very little overlap between players, or the game might just get far too sluggish.

13/x/17 will still be a factory heavy game, but will allow for a little more flexibility in game strategy.

Personally I'm still voting for 15/x/25, but if enough people would prefer 13/x/17 we will play that instead. Cool


[Updated on: Tue, 23 September 2003 00:34]

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kinda hard for us to vote there dude




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Re: Cute lil fluffy kittens, in a box Sun, 21 September 2003 23:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Embarassed hmmm, it's my first poll Embarassed ... I think I've fixed it... try voting again. Very Happy

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Re: Cute lil fluffy kittens, in a box Mon, 22 September 2003 18:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How about only specifying a MINIMUM factory setting to qualify as an HP race and allowing everyone to determine their own factory settings upward of that? IOW, they can adjust their factory ratings higher if they wish, but not lower.

Would that ruin the concept?

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Re: Cute lil fluffy kittens, in a box Mon, 22 September 2003 22:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry, I don't think I made my poll clear enough. Embarassed I did actually mean setting 13/x/17 as MINIMUM settings, as per the previous posts discussing the idea of reducing the factory minimum settings.

Would anybody else have voted differently if they'd known 13/x/17 was a minimum setting, not a fixed setting? I won't reset the poll, just PM me if you voted wrong so I know. Rolling Eyes

So far it *looks* like we've got 7-1 voting for 15/x/25, so unless there's a big swing we'll play 15/x/25, and with 8 votes cast it looks like there's enough interest to have a good number of players too! Very Happy I'll close the poll and lock down all the settings in a couple of days so you can all submit. Cool

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Re: Cute lil fluffy kittens, in a box Mon, 22 September 2003 22:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Also, what do people think about the victory condition? I might set it back to 2525 instead of 2500, because our economies are probably all gonna have pretty slow ramp up times.

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Re: Cute lil fluffy kittens, in a box Tue, 23 September 2003 04:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Victory Condition is fine, at either 100 or 125 years. Just be sure to move the date for PPS as well. Thumbsup 2

Also please confirm which races are banned, and what the universe settings will be. Cool

An email address for this independent 3rd party would appreciated, so that we may send in some races! Multi bounce

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Re: Cute lil fluffy kittens, in a box Tue, 23 September 2003 04:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Embarassed

Well... I did vote for 15x25 factory settings, but I would have voted the other way if I'd known that was only a minimum setting and not a required standard.

And either way I was thinking I'd like to join this game, but I just learned that the other game I'm committed to (which has been stalled for a while and was looking fairly doomed) is going to proceed after all. I'm playing an SD and that game is going to monopolize my time.

Discount my vote; although I'd like to play in this one, I'm going to have to pass to honor my previous commitment. Sad

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OPEN TO SUBMISSIONS Tue, 23 September 2003 22:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OK, we are open for submissions. Cool

I have updated all the settings. Please check through the first post in this thread Rolling Eyes *carefully* Rolling Eyes for the finalised settings.

I've seen the error of my foolish play&host ways, so I will no longer be playing in this game, only hosting. Crying or Very Sad

Email your race files and passwords to clfkiab AT yahoo DOT co DOT uk


[Updated on: Wed, 24 September 2003 00:11]

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2 races in already. Surprised

I'm capping this one at 8 players, so there are only 6 slots remaining. Twisted Evil

I'd like to get this one started next week, so get those submissions in.

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icon9.gif  where'd everybody go??!?? Tue, 30 September 2003 22:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well....[ 4 votes ]
1. I don't want to play, I just voted for fun! 4 / 100%
2. I wanna play! Just give me a couple more days... 0 / 0%

Ummm, 12 people voted for the settings for this game, but I've only had 2 submissions so far... Where'd everybody go... Crying or Very Sad Crying

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I still only have 2 races submitted for this one... Embarassed

C'mon guys, we just need 4 more to make the game interesting. I'm don't wanna let this one die, I find the concept of an all HP game too intriging to let it slip.

Sherlock

Where can I advertise for more players? Anybody know a good Stars! mailing list where I can find more players?

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Dogthinkers wrote on Mon, 06 October 2003 20:36

I still only have 2 races submitted for this one... Embarassed

C'mon guys, we just need 4 more to make the game interesting. I'm don't wanna let this one die, I find the concept of an all HP game too intriging to let it slip.

Sherlock

Where can I advertise for more players? Anybody know a good Stars! mailing list where I can find more players?



I find the concept interesting, but just can't clear the proper amount of playing time right now.

Did you advertise the game on "The List"? That will get it mailed to some people. If you advertise it on rec.games.computer.stars then it will get picked up automatically.

- Kurt

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