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Has anyone managed to run Stars on a Mac with Catalina (OS v10.15)?

The official recommendation from Wine is don't upgrade to Catalina. Catalina dropped support for 32-bit apps like wine-stable. But I had to upgrade. I built 64-bit wine ( https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/373851/how-to-get- wine-working-on-catalina). I guess it's working. (It runs, though I haven't gotten it to open anything.) It doesn't like stars, though:

$ ./wine64 ../Stars/starsjrc4.exe
001d:err:environ:run_wineboot boot event wait timed out
001d:err:module:__wine_process_init L"Z:\\Users\\scottsch\\Downloads\\Stars\\starsjrc4.exe" not supported on this system

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scottsch wrote on Wed, 19 August 2020 01:11
Has anyone managed to run Stars on a Mac with Catalina (OS v10.15)?

The official recommendation from Wine is don't upgrade to Catalina. Catalina dropped support for 32-bit apps like wine-stable. But I had to upgrade. I built 64-bit wine ( https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/373851/how-to-get- wine-working-on-catalina). I guess it's working. (It runs, though I haven't gotten it to open anything.) It doesn't like stars, though:

$ ./wine64 ../Stars/starsjrc4.exe
001d:err:environ:run_wineboot boot event wait timed out
001d:err:module:__wine_process_init L"Z:\\Users\\scottsch\\Downloads\\Stars\\starsjrc4.exe" not supported on this system

Stars! is a 16-bit application and x86-64 architectures cannot run those. I don't know whether 64-bit Wine is mimicking an x86-64 architecture, but that would give that kind of error message.

The Starsbox design should work, since DOSbox has a 64-bit version, although you'd need to replace the DOSbox .exe it provides. VirtualBox will also work, but there's no prepackaged version of that with Windows and Stars that I'm aware of.


[Updated on: Tue, 18 August 2020 23:43]

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Re: Stars on MacOS Catalina? Wed, 19 August 2020 03:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for the suggestions. Running dosbox (via wine64 on MacOS) didn't work. I have tried and failed to run VirtualBox on this machine before. I tried dosbox on an AWS instance and that didn't work -- dosbox exits silently.

I'll try it now on a different Windows 10 machine that I can borrow...

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Re: Stars on MacOS Catalina? Wed, 19 August 2020 03:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And... this worked in 60 seconds flat!

https://starsautohost.org/sahforum2/index.php?t=msg&th=5 662&start=0&rid=1565

Thanks, raptor!

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scottsch wrote on Wed, 19 August 2020 17:16
Thanks for the suggestions. Running dosbox (via wine64 on MacOS) didn't work. I have tried and failed to run VirtualBox on this machine before. I tried dosbox on an AWS instance and that didn't work -- dosbox exits silently.

I'll try it now on a different Windows 10 machine that I can borrow...

I meant DOSbox for Mac, not DOSbox via Wine.

EDIT: Ninjaed. Glad you got it working. Smile


[Updated on: Wed, 19 August 2020 03:57]

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Re: Stars on MacOS Catalina? Sat, 22 August 2020 18:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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scottsch wrote on Wed, 19 August 2020 03:52
And... this worked in 60 seconds flat!


Are you saying that you ran StarsWine under 64-bit WINE on macOS?

If so, that's madness! (and great!)

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Re: Stars on MacOS Catalina? Sun, 23 August 2020 03:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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raptor wrote on Sun, 23 August 2020 08:59
scottsch wrote on Wed, 19 August 2020 03:52
And... this worked in 60 seconds flat!


Are you saying that you ran StarsWine under 64-bit WINE on macOS?

If so, that's madness! (and great!)

I've seen mentions that the usual way to get a single instance of Wine to run both 32-bit and 64-bit is to nest 32-bit Wine inside 64-bit Wine, so it's not entirely mad.

But still a bit mad.

Really, the biggest madness is Catalina deciding to drop compatibility with 32-bit. That's Apple for you, I guess. Microsoft's heading the same way in anti-user philosophy, but even they aren't quite that dumb.

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raptor wrote on Sat, 22 August 2020 18:59
scottsch wrote on Wed, 19 August 2020 03:52
And... this worked in 60 seconds flat!


Are you saying that you ran StarsWine under 64-bit WINE on macOS?

If so, that's madness! (and great!)


haha, no. It was on a Windows 10 machine.

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Re: Stars on MacOS Catalina? Wed, 02 September 2020 15:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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magic9mushroom wrote on Sun, 23 August 2020 08:28
raptor wrote on Sun, 23 August 2020 08:59
scottsch wrote on Wed, 19 August 2020 03:52
And... this worked in 60 seconds flat!


Are you saying that you ran StarsWine under 64-bit WINE on macOS?

If so, that's madness! (and great!)

I've seen mentions that the usual way to get a single instance of Wine to run both 32-bit and 64-bit is to nest 32-bit Wine inside 64-bit Wine, so it's not entirely mad.

But still a bit mad.

Really, the biggest madness is Catalina deciding to drop compatibility with 32-bit. That's Apple for you, I guess. Microsoft's heading the same way in anti-user philosophy, but even they aren't quite that dumb.


Not madness at all. Apple have always dropped support for things that are no longer required before others.

It's one reason MS software is so bad.. they maintain backward compatibility at the cost of everything else - usability, supportability, security....

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Re: Stars on MacOS Catalina? Thu, 03 September 2020 01:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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XAPBob wrote on Thu, 03 September 2020 05:18
Not madness at all. Apple have always dropped support for things that are no longer required before others.

It's one reason MS software is so bad.. they maintain backward compatibility at the cost of everything else - usability, supportability, security....

There are a lot of 32-bit-only programs, though - 64-bit OSes only became truly standard a few years ago, and until then anything which didn't have the manpower to maintain two versions had to be 32-bit.

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magic9mushroom wrote on Thu, 03 September 2020 06:03
XAPBob wrote on Thu, 03 September 2020 05:18
Not madness at all. Apple have always dropped support for things that are no longer required before others.

It's one reason MS software is so bad.. they maintain backward compatibility at the cost of everything else - usability, supportability, security....

There are a lot of 32-bit-only programs, though - 64-bit OSes only became truly standard a few years ago, and until then anything which didn't have the manpower to maintain two versions had to be 32-bit.


Very few that have any need to be 32 bit.
Producing 64 bit is basically a case of changing a switch on the compiler... heck I used to compile all my software for multiple chip architectures, 32/64 bit really isn't something that requires double the maintenance.

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XAPBob wrote on Fri, 04 September 2020 02:27
Very few that have any need to be 32 bit.
Producing 64 bit is basically a case of changing a switch on the compiler... heck I used to compile all my software for multiple chip architectures, 32/64 bit really isn't something that requires double the maintenance.

Eh, you're the programmer. I do know there's a lot of software produced between the 90s and the early 10s with no 64-bit version.

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Re: Stars on MacOS Catalina? Mon, 07 September 2020 05:32 Go to previous message
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And virtualisation is the way to go for software like that.
Because it's the only way to guarantee long term support for abandonware, and with any cpu in the last decade or so there is very little penalty, and of course much lower demands anyway...

And if it isn't abandonware then recompiling for 64 bit... shouldn't be hard.

Apple were the first to drop PS/2 ports, serial ports, PATA drives, optical drives, parallel ports.... The list goes on.
It's one of the things they do - if they see a good connection that can replace stuff they do so, but then they support that connection for a long while.

There is currently an outcry because they aren't moving to USB-C for their phones... It wouldn't be hard to argue that whilst the USB-C connection is undeniably faster and delivers more power.... an iPhone isn't going to be exporting PCIe lanes anyway, and power delivery is already good enough.
At some point they will move, but they committed to supporting lightning for a decade, in the time Apple have used the 30 pin and the lightning connector there have been 3 changes to the USB connector on phones, and of course the change from whatever barrel or proprietary system various manufacturers were using before hand. And both the 30 pin and the lightning connector were way ahead of their time (for once something Apple got right before the crowd rather than after).

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