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What is a mineral fountain ? Thu, 27 November 2003 15:36 Go to next message
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I'm really sorry if this is a FAQ, but I have tried searching for the answer already and so far have come up with nothing.

What is this "mineral fountain" thing people talk about with AR, and how does it work ?

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Re: What is a mineral fountain ? Thu, 27 November 2003 15:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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staz69uk wrote on Thu, 27 November 2003 21:36

I'm really sorry if this is a FAQ, but I have tried searching for the answer already and so far have come up with nothing.

What is this "mineral fountain" thing people talk about with AR, and how does it work ?


Each HW (= Home World) has a minimal mineral concentration of 30, it might look the concentration gets lower and eventually drop down to 1 but as long as the planet is inhabited, you'll be mining at that minimum concentration. If you however would abandon your HW and place a fleet of remote miners in orbit they will mine at the concentration that the planet window is showing, which could be below 30.
Now an AR is living in starbases, which means he can remote mine the planets he is living on. IOW they are the only race that can remote each (not necessarily their own) HW at the minimal concentration as long as they have a base in orbit. They can place 100's, 1000's, 10000's of miners in orbit and the planet will never get depleted, endless minerals in huge numbers that's what the mineral fountain is all about.

One a side note: you don't merge all those miners in one fleet because there is a limit of how much one fleet can mine each turn, that's 1200kT per mineral, the equivalent of 80 Superbugs (that's a midget miner hull with 2 robo-ultra-miners on it).

To give you an idea: in the last big teamgame I played (4 teams of 4 race) our AR was mining 423651kT per mineral per year! He had 28510 of those Superbugs ... and still not enough minerals to feed the hungry HP teammates who were building nubs. Grin

In a solo game you wouldn't build that much miners, you would only build enough to make sure all your planets have enough minerals to use up all their resources in ship building every year, after you get all the tech you want of course.

mch
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Re: What is a mineral fountain ? Thu, 27 November 2003 17:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Micha wrote on Thu, 27 November 2003 20:54

Each HW (= Home World) has a minimal mineral concentration of 30, it might look the concentration gets lower and eventually drop down to 1 but as long as the planet is inhabited, you'll be mining at that minimum concentration. If you however would abandon your HW and place a fleet of remote miners in orbit they will mine at the concentration that the planet window is showing, which could be below 30.
Now an AR is living in starbases, which means he can remote mine the planets he is living on. IOW they are the only race that can remote each (not necessarily their own) HW at the minimal concentration as long as they have a base in orbit. They can place 100's, 1000's, 10000's of miners in orbit and the planet will never get depleted, endless minerals in huge numbers that's what the mineral fountain is all about.



Ahhhhhh, I see now.

I had all the information but never made the connection Embarassed

Thanks,
Staz

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Re: What is a mineral fountain ? Thu, 03 October 2019 15:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Does anyone have more details on how to do the calculations of the max number of miners per fleet?

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Dependent on what or in relation to what?

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Re: What is a mineral fountain ? Mon, 14 October 2019 11:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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From https://wiki.starsautohost.org/wiki/AR_Guide_by_Leonard_Dick ens_-_Revised:_21st_September_2000:
"Infinite mining: Unlike the normal races, when an AR remote mines a homeworld that it owns (meaning, has colonized), the homeworld floor of 30 concentration applies to *all* of the AR's remote mining fleets at that planet. This means that an AR can mine an almost unlimited amount per turn, each turn, needing only the remote miners to do so. (Remote mining for all players is subject to a limit of 4000 mine-equivalents per fleet; thus, ARs are limited in remote mining by the 512 fleet limit.)"

And from https://wiki.starsautohost.org/wiki/Remote_Mining
"Remote mining caps at 4000 mine equivalents/fleet. If you have more remote mines than that in a fleet, they will produce no additional minerals. The concentration on the planet is lowered between each fleet mining, so it is a good idea to have big fleets at 4000 mine equivalents rather than several smaller fleets. That is, the same number of miners will produce fewer minerals if split into multiple fleets compared to fewer fleets as long as no fleet has too many miners. To be clear, the Robot Midget Miner says it can mine up to 5kt of each mineral, so it is equivalent to 5 mines. The Robot Ultra Miner can mine up to 25kt of each mineral so it is equivalent to 25 mines. If you make a bunch of small hull miners with two Ultra Miners each, each ship would be equivalent to 50 mines and you would want 80 such ships in any single mining fleet.
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5 fleets of 4000 mine equivalents each reduce mineral concentration 100 to concentration 34 in one turn. After 2 turns, it's time to move on."

Since AR can mine inhabited worlds on arrival, it's best to colonize on turn 1, and start mining on turn 2. This also means there's no efficiency penalty in concentrating mining fleets. As non-AR, you want to minimize turns lot to travel so it's better to spread X fleets over X planets so they can stay there longer. In AR, you might as well concentrate a
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Re: What is a mineral fountain ? Mon, 14 October 2019 15:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thank you. That is what I was looking for. I looked through the forum for quite a while and did not find that information. I will have to check the wiki more often.

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Re: What is a mineral fountain ? Mon, 14 October 2019 15:42 Go to previous message
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I don't trust the wiki search function Smile. My normal MO is to google for something like:

site:starsautohost.org mineral fountain
or
site:starsautohost.org remote mining

This will search through wiki articles, forum/academy posts, etc., and I can generally find what I'm looking for. Often adding "guts of ..." also helps find the technical stuff.


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