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New Game for Beginners Sat, 17 December 2016 18:30 Go to next message
ManicLurch is currently offline ManicLurch

 
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There has been some discussion in the bar about a new game for beginners, so I thought I would start one.

Players must be beginners, less than 3 games against humans. If we can't get enough players with this restriction, we will allow more experienced players with a handicap.

Game settings are as follows:

- Distant players position
- AccBBS
- random events on

Standard cheat disclaimer, which means that the following cheats are allowed:

- chaff
- split fleet dodge
- merge fleets after gating
- Mine damage dodge

- CA Banned, all other races are ok.

Turns would be MTWTF until 2430 or someone requests a slow down. From there they would be MWF.

PPS would be turned on at 2430, unless everyone else wants it off.

Number of players is anywhere from 4 - 16. The more players sign up, the larger the universe. We will aim for about 30 planets per player. Host is not playing.



[Updated on: Sat, 17 December 2016 18:30]

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Re: New Game for Beginners Thu, 22 December 2016 00:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
antey007 is currently offline antey007

 
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It seems that everyone is playing to another game: Get the planet. Me too.
Maybe later.

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Entropicurity is currently offline Entropicurity

 
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Not so much new to the game as new against other human players (I played a few over 15+ years ago, I think 2.6 wasn't a thing yet).

If you end up finding other players, please count me as one of them! Very Happy



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Re: New Game for Beginners Wed, 28 December 2016 14:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ManicLurch is currently offline ManicLurch

 
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Not so much new to the game as new against other human players (I played a few over 15+ years ago, I think 2.6 wasn't a thing yet).


I think that will qualify. We will modify the entering to also allow those who haven't played in a few years. The main point of this game is to get new players or those who haven't played in a while to start playing again.

Quote:
It seems that everyone is playing to another game: Get the planet. Me too.


That is likely the case. Bad timing I suppose for this game. Maybe some of the new players will want to play in 2 games?

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Re: New Game for Beginners Wed, 28 December 2016 16:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Entropicurity is currently offline Entropicurity

 
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I have some friends who have never played that I will try to convince to join. I think I have about 4 different game keys in total that I was hoping to use for a small LAN/Hotseat party setup about 12 years ago that sadly fell through. I'll keep you posted either way and will eagerly await hearing back from anyone else that may be interested!


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Re: New Game for Beginners Thu, 29 December 2016 14:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have some friends who have never played that I will try to convince to join.


We can get the game started with as few as 4 players in a small universe.

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Re: New Game for Beginners Wed, 04 January 2017 00:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Manic, I'm going to send this to some friends who played a while back to see if they might be interested. If nothing else, count me in as a super-nerfed player!

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Re: New Game for Beginners Wed, 04 January 2017 10:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm currently playing through a duel with Niel and he is helping me see how much learning I still have to go through to go from "beginner" to "intermediate." I'll keep you posted if I do any other new games in the meantime.

That being said thank you greatly VManuel for joining in! And with a Super-Nerf even! Hopefully you friends will be interested in joining and we can possibly get this show on the road. Not entirely sure what race that I'll want to dive into. I imagine that will depend on how many players we get and what size galaxy we all will be contending with.



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Re: New Game for Beginners Fri, 06 January 2017 13:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Manic, I'm going to send this to some friends who played a while back to see if they might be interested. If nothing else, count me in as a super-nerfed player!


Sure, we can accommodate this. I suppose the question is how much of a nerf do we need? Maybe somewhere between 50-100 points set to defenses?

But we still need a few more players for this to get going.

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Re: New Game for Beginners Mon, 09 January 2017 11:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi ,

how many player do you have already ?

Dont hink I fit in the beginner level ... but I say at least over me I am a beginner with some expirience Razz


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Re: New Game for Beginners Mon, 09 January 2017 14:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am not super busy, and am certainly a complete newbie to vs human. I would like also to join this game. I have a bunch to learn, bunch bunch.

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Re: New Game for Beginners Tue, 10 January 2017 07:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Glad to have you on board! If you haven't already check out the wiki.starsautohost.com as well as the Strategy Guide uploaded there. Either way I'll be excited to see this game take off soon!


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Re: New Game for Beginners Wed, 11 January 2017 17:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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how many player do you have already ?


Players - beginners, rusty old timers:
Entropicurity
talkingbologna

Players - experienced:
vmanuel
ccmaster


We have enough to start a game in a small universe, or we can wait for a few more players.

We still need to decide on a handicap for the experienced players. Any suggestions?

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Re: New Game for Beginners Wed, 11 January 2017 18:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi!
ManicLurch wrote on Wed, 11 January 2017 23:24
We still need to decide on a handicap for the experienced players. Any suggestions?

- Leave 200-300 RW points (depending on players's skill) unspent.
- Create best race, then dumb it down by decreasing its PGR and/or factories and/or tech.
- They need to skip each 3rd turn. Twisted Evil
Variant: game host decides, when exp. player skips turn, depending on his performance. Turn skip order is not necessary public, so other players would be guessing if he's skipping or baiting... Twisted Evil Twisted Evil


BR, (evil Wink ) Iztok



[Updated on: Wed, 11 January 2017 19:05]

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Re: New Game for Beginners Wed, 11 January 2017 19:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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iztok wrote on Wed, 11 January 2017 18:59
Hi!
ManicLurch wrote on Wed, 11 January 2017 23:24
We still need to decide on a handicap for the experienced players. Any suggestions?

Twisted Evil <snipped> Twisted Evil Twisted Evil BR, (evil Wink ) Iztok


So much evil in one post...

On a more serious note, I'm ok with a simple 50-100 point handicap, I'd be ok with less if we can limit the old-timers to no alliances or having each "experienced" player limited to an alliance to one other new player to "show the ropes."

I of course would also enjoy waiting on another player! The more the merrier! I'm itching to try out my first multi-player game either way!



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Re: New Game for Beginners Wed, 11 January 2017 19:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi ,


was more a joke that I would like to play Razz

But if you real need me as a player I will set a handicap for me and go first for the other "good" players.

Also a all techs expensive or no tech cheaps would be good handicaps for the good players and helps the others to

come with in tech levels.

Also I would say the expirience player have to set all other players to enemy with no trade.


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Re: New Game for Beginners Wed, 11 January 2017 22:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Laughing Iztok, we're looking to cut their legs, not their juevos. Evil kudos.

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Re: New Game for Beginners Thu, 12 January 2017 00:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi ,

I dont think Iztok is so much on the wrong way ..... see nothing evil in his ideas.


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Re: New Game for Beginners Thu, 12 January 2017 08:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ccmaster wrote on Thu, 12 January 2017 00:22
<snip>...see nothing evil in his ideas.


Is this the part where I nervously gulp? Confused

All in all I'm very flexible, if I get completely dominated I'll have at least something to learn from it (hopefully). Though given that level of confidence I may have to save putting off my HP race for later... Rolling Eyes

That being said, I've got a race idea in mind. Now it is just a matter of applying it! Ready to roll when everyone else is! NEW PLAYERS UNITE! LoL



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Hi ,

I only dont have interrest to kill new players so a high handicap would be fair I think.

Anyway I would go first for Victor Razz


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Re: New Game for Beginners Thu, 12 January 2017 17:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

Players - beginners, rusty old timers:
Entropicurity
talkingbologna

Players - experienced:
vmanuel
ccmaster


Well, from my hosting experience with the Fledgling Admirals series I'd say it is nay impossible to put restrictions on vmanuel and ccmaster vs beginners. Either the beginners have no chance or the restrictions would be so harsh that it doesn't allow for a somehow normal stars game but the experienced are forced to a very strange approach which leads to a "wrong" example how to play stars.

Nevertheless it is not always bad to have experienced and new players in the same game IF
a) every experienced player must ally with one beginner
and
b) the experienced players are willing to put as much effort into communication as the beginners reading up on strat articles and learning... resulting in a very steep and often enough learning curve.

I was always astonished how fast new players in the Fledgling Admiral series were able to jump from beginner to intermediate in just one game when they got some directions towards the wealth of existing articles... this wealth is a bit (too) overwhelming if a beginner needs to work through it completly on his own but teamed up...

And don't make a too big and long game for beginners. A small one lasts already long enough.

What about the following setup:

Size: small sized universe
* dense for 6 players
* packed for 8 players

And to concentrate on the game mechanics and not on diplomacy:
* Alliance of 2 players, no more, no less can win the game (last alliance standing or unanimous vote of remaining players)
* only tech exchange with ally
* only ally set to friend, all other set to enemy
* all battle orders must be set at "attack who = enemies"

PRT restrictions:
* beginners may not play PP or AR
* experienced may not play CA, JoaT (additionally ccmaster may not play HE, Altruist not IT)
* if you want to throw in another 100 leftover pts in the race wizard set to defenses for the experienced, that's ok... more and you get weird race designs

If you need another experienced player, I'd play as well... and would be also willing to communicate with beginner ally (much more fun this way anyway if you have another eager crazy person in the universe to ramble about strat & tact).

Great would be if the host is not playing and willing to give some feedback and hints to the beginners about their sent in reace designs to avoid too obvious errors and to allow them some changes. No need to create a completly balanced universe, to cope with strange starting positions is part of the game but it would be helpful if
a) the starting positions allowed somehow for newbies and experienced to team up
or
b) at the start of the game the host gives (only) to the newbies the coordination of all experienced players and then they can decide what to do with it.


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Re: New Game for Beginners Thu, 12 January 2017 23:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Most excellent. I've been reading your old game summaries, Altruist, and have itched to play you. We noobs could seriously be CA? I've actually (vs. AI, mind you) had better experience with JoAT than CA, but it would be an interesting experience.

So about these alliances, are they to result from game flow or would they be pregame? For the verse to start us together would preclude the latter.

Altruist wrote...
host gives (only) to the newbies the coordination of all experienced players

What would the coordination entail?

Are we still going with random events?

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Re: New Game for Beginners Fri, 13 January 2017 11:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi ,

if Altruist is playing I will not take so a hard handycap for me.

I have already played some Mentor games but for a Mentor game I have not the time.


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Re: New Game for Beginners Fri, 13 January 2017 15:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For a long time I was itching to join just such a game where I'd be paired with a much more experienced veteran and learn the tricks of the multiplayer trade "up close and personal"... and just when such an opportunity finally presents itself, I find myself too experienced to join! Mad Wall Bash

Oh well... good luck to those green enough to actually walk away from this with some experience gained Smile

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Honestly I'd just be happy to be in any game at all. I've got a Race design to keep in mind and ready to submit, though I know we are all still waiting for others to chime in. I've got two duels in the works atm and this will be my "third" game. Still not an expert by any stretch of the imagination or intermediate for that matter. LoL


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