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icon5.gif  hush-a-boom question Wed, 27 November 2002 10:41 Go to next message
Robert is currently offline Robert

 
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ok... here it is:
Cool
is the MT hush-a-boom a smartbomb???

it is not as easy as it seems, and quite important...

1.) the hush seems not to have a minimum pop kill, as
the smart bombs do not have... so it looks like a smart
bomb

2.) IS races usually cannot build smart bombs, but can use
the hush... so it seems not to be a smart bomb!

3.) when bombing, normal bombs (lbus and cherry) bomb before
smartbombs, so you get 2 bombs a turn effectively.

-> do hushs bomb with the normal bombs or with the smart
bombs? so if have a b17 with 4 hushs and 4 enr. neutrinons,
do they bomb 13% or 25% of the pop from an undefended planet?
(not really accurate numbers here... approximation)

does anybody have experience with hushs using to get a planet
with most facs and mines still intact? what combination is used
best? what survives when only hushs are used???

thanks for your comments

robert

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Re: hush-a-boom question Wed, 27 November 2002 13:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Firstly - NRSE races can use the enigma pulsar, just as NAS races can use items with pen scanners. MT item over-ride all LRT and PRT settings. A good example is a HE race getting the portable gate!!!!!!!

Second - hush a booms are so much cheaper and so much lighter and require so little minerals you'd have to be very silly to use ANY other bomb, Smart bomb, normal bomb or LBU. The hush-a-boom doesn't have any mention of defenses being less effective than normal bombs and as such I don't think they are smart bombs anyway.

At top level a single hush a boom costs 2 resources and 3kt of minerals total. Neutron bomb kills less % (but roughly equal when accounting for the difference in smart vs normal) and cost 11 resources and 12kt of minerals. They also weigh 52kt less.

In other words, non-ram scoop engines can travel further and faster with Hush a booms as well as being able to survive battles better. Hushs also damage facilities.

an LBU74 with an annihilator does 7.4% pop damage (well more if u account for the smart effect) and damage 45 facilities. Costs 54kt of minerals and 36 resources.

For 36 resources and 54kt of minerals u get 18 hush a booms. Not as effective bomb per bomb as lbu and anni. But you can easily field 10 times the number of bombers for the same cost. Which makes the hush-a-boom better than the lbu+smart combo.

Just one last thing to mention - the smart requires 3 tech 12s.
The Annihilator wants 26 and 17.
The LBU-74 15 and 12.

So bio 12, weapons 12 and elec 12 you get hush a boom (IF you meet the MT). But to get the LESS efficient lbu74 annihilator combo you need 17 bio, 26 weapons, and 15 electronics.

The hush-a-boom is as such THE best bomb. The *only* negative thing I have to say about it is the fact that someone has to meet the right MT first.

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Re: hush-a-boom question Wed, 27 November 2002 14:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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thanks....

but i do know the math, too Very Happy

i also know how great the hush is to get a kill in battle,
but i want to take the planets of some really weak enemy,
probably dropping out soon.

and want to get as much mines and facs as possible, and
the hush destroys them, only a few, correct, but it does.

so there are still my unanswered questions:

- does the hush bomb as a normal or as a smart?
- what is optimal bombing with hushs/smarts when wanting
to get the planet intact?

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Re: hush-a-boom question Wed, 27 November 2002 17:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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to get the planet totally intact then be an IS race and use breeder fleets to massively over invade the planet, but that doesn't answer your question.

If you want everything intact then use annihilators. 7% kills. Get the pop low and invade.

The problem with using non-smart bombs to bring down the population without detroying factories is with destroying defenses. Now I'm assuming there is an equal chance of a bomb destroying a mine, factory or defense. If so then a planet can have at most 100 defenses, where as it can easily have over 1000 mines and 1000 factories. Even with a conservative figure like that hush-a-booms will hit 2 such facilities, 2100 installations and 2 get hit, it' like a 1 in 10 chance of hitting a defense. To put this simply if you want the optimum installation to remain use smarts, if you want the planet quickly then use hush-a-booms if available.

The real question you should be asking is "If I wipe out the facilities with LBUs and smarts can I rebuild them in less time than it would take to smart bomb and invade with all installations intact". The optimum point depends on the race. A -f race would probably want the installations intact, though factories have little use a few free ones would be nice but then again since it's all population based then only rebuilding mines might save you time. A hyper producer that has really useless population per resource will want EVERYTHING intact.

If you really really want to find a beter answer then load up excel, a battlesim and stars! calculator.

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Re: hush-a-boom question Wed, 27 November 2002 20:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, NRSE races can use Enigma Pulsar. However, last time I checked it said engines with no fuel usage over Warp 5. So they'd be able to use them even if they were normal technology.


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Re: hush-a-boom question Fri, 29 November 2002 05:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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another stupid question:

is the enigma a ramscoop engine?

(when calculation minefield hits?)

ok... thats easy to find out... i will do that,
but i am pretty sure it is...

so long

robert



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Re: hush-a-boom question Fri, 29 November 2002 07:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm almost 100% sure it is a ramscoop. So long as you assume it is when weighing up a minefield vs enigma decision then at least you can prepare for worst case scenario.

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Re: hush-a-boom question Fri, 29 November 2002 08:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ok... to get some advice i can be more explicit:

i am a HP (14/9/24) and try to take over some planets. i know he
has germ-problems, and when i bomb down his facs i will find
the nice-green planets quite useless... as i do not have much
germanium left over...
so i need to find the most efficient way between leftover facs
and bombing speed...

i thought about a B-17 with 4 hushs and 4 enr.neutrinos,
and the multi-cargo-pod (gives armor to survive a minefield
and i can insert pop to do the last drop when pop is low...)

anybody experience with that design?


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If your resource per X people is set to 2500 then dont use the hush a boom. Just use the baddest smart bomb you got. The hush a boom isn't really the bomb you want for leaving installations intact. It's best used as a cheap but effective bomb. Think of it less as an MT item and more of the next bomb up from a cherry bomb, only really cheap. Smart bombs are what you need. The hush-a-boom is just really cheap and rips apart planets either much quicker for the same cost, or just as quick but alot cheaper than using other bombs.

HP races need smart bombs more than low cost bombs.

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Re: hush-a-boom question Fri, 29 November 2002 21:18 Go to previous message
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If your resource per X people is set to 2500 then dont use the hush a boom. Just use the baddest smart bomb you got. The hush a boom isn't really the bomb you want for leaving installations intact. It's best used as a cheap but effective bomb. Think of it less as an MT item and more of the next bomb up from a cherry bomb, only really cheap. Smart bombs are what you need. The hush-a-boom is just really cheap and rips apart planets either much quicker for the same cost, or just as quick but alot cheaper than using other bombs.

HP races need smart bombs more than low cost bombs.

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