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Which alliance bigger? |
Wed, 23 April 2003 20:08 |
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Bugs here.
Citadel/Pilgrim say Goth/Fides bigger.
Goth/Fides say Citadel/Pilgrim bigger.
Who is bigger? Bzzzgnt!
Citadel and Goth both shoot down poor defenseless Bug scouts.
Shooting scouts not way to make friends to help.
Big Bug
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Re: Which alliance bigger? |
Sun, 27 April 2003 18:33 |
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I know which alliance is bigger... mine.
Not that there's anyone in my alliance........ lol.
It sucks when you don't have friends.
bj (not the messiah, just a very naughty boy)
p.s. - I'm glad you said African. I'd hate to see what would have happened if we had to delve into a "African or European?" style conversation.
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Re: Which alliance bigger? |
Tue, 29 April 2003 14:00 |
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pgarnold | | Petty Officer 3rd Class | Messages: 48
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Micha wrote on Sun, 27 April 2003 13:47 |
We see ships going in all directions, VisiGoth FFs heading East, VisiGoths DDs advancing West, Pilgrims minelayers moving East! Citadel ships sitting still?
Head Knight,
The Knights Who Say Ni
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Notice the part about Citadel ships sitting still??? These ships have NOT moved in 4 years. No new ships, no movement other than an occasional privateer that seems to be automated. The Citadels are NOT even building defenses for planets that might get bombed!!!
There can ONLY be one explanation, the Citadels are building WEAPONS of MASS DESTRUCTION. They submit turns each year but nothing happens. What else could possibly be going on within the presidential palaces the Citadels inhabit??? Well possibly a few orgies, but this was suppose to be my races speciality!!! Damn usurper of other races rights!!! This is NOT a green player without a clue but an demon who intends to destroy this galaxy. Wake up before it is too late!!
King Alaric, VisiGoth Empire
[Updated on: Tue, 29 April 2003 14:39] Report message to a moderator
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Re: Which alliance bigger? |
Tue, 29 April 2003 14:22 |
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pgarnold | | Petty Officer 3rd Class | Messages: 48
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argusfreak wrote on Sun, 27 April 2003 08:43 | The facts will not lie, just the Goth Minister of Information. A new Comical Ali?
Issued by the Pilgrim Peace Studies Institute
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We do not resemble those remarks!!!
We speak only the truth.
Ah, then you want some proof, do you???
Just take a look at the size of the M files for all races. While this is not totally accurate, it can be very useful to get a good indicator of what is going on when the actual file is not available. For the current year, 2447, we have:
m1 Sivxa 6 kb
m2 VisiGoths 15 kb
m3 Rome 9 kb
m4 Citadels 15 kb
m5 {}{}{}{}{ 8 kb
m6 Chyortoids 8 kb
m7 Fides 15 kb
m8 Pilgrims 22 kb
m9 Bugs 11 kb
m10 Knights 16 kb
Now M file size is also an indication of activity as well as power. In the above we see the Pilgrims are in 1st place!
We see the second place is held by the Knights.
Then we see a tie between the Citadels, Fides and VisiGoths! What you should also consider is that the Citadels are doing ABSOLUTELY nothing right now. Whereas the Fides and VisiGoths are fighting for our lives!!
I ask you, how can the Citadels have such a big M file and still be doing ABSOLUTELY nothing??? The answer is that they are building up tremendously and researching Weapons of Mass Destruction, WMD.
The Fides and VisiGoths are moving every ship we have in our fight to survive the ones. This has artificially inflated our M file size. The VisiGoths will submit our M files to an outside independent observer to verify the truth that we are NOT #1, NOT #2, or NOT #3. We are your lowly servant , a peaceful IS, here to help you survive the ones.
We will soon all be if we don't ally to stop this threat to the galaxy. Come join the alliance against WMD and the ones.
King Alaric, VisiGoth Empire
[Updated on: Tue, 29 April 2003 14:26] Report message to a moderator
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Re: Which alliance bigger? |
Tue, 29 April 2003 16:35 |
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Just take a look at the size of the M files for all races. While this is not totally accurate, it can be very useful to get a good indicator of what is going on when the actual file is not available. For the current year, 2447, we have:
m1 Sivxa 6 kb
m2 VisiGoths 15 kb
m3 Rome 9 kb
m4 Citadels 15 kb
m5 {}{}{}{}{ 8 kb
m6 Chyortoids 8 kb
m7 Fides 15 kb
m8 Pilgrims 22 kb
m9 Bugs 11 kb
m10 Knights 16 kb
Now M file size is also an indication of activity as well as power. In the above we see the Pilgrims are in 1st place!
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From what I have seen, the size of the M file is not a good indicator of rank. The M file contains information related to actions of the player. So higher levels of MicroManagement; more items in the build queues, terraforming, laying minefields, remote mining, cargo transfer, ram scoops, etc. will all increase the size of the .M file. Other items included are SCANNING results, number of fleets built, ship designs, and battles, and waypoints set. A race with better scanners knows more about other items in the universe. A race having more battles, and thus also knowing more enemy ship designs will also have a bigger M file. Races with automated cargo transfers and waypoints will have larger M files.
So the Pilgrim file might be biggest because they have many small minelayers, excellent scanners, many minefields (which can also increase scanning), minefield detonations, ad nauseum...
Before playing in autohost I played with a group that sent out all results in one big zip file. It was very easy to see the size of the files generated. There were times when I was in third or fourth place, but had the largest M file. Another game where I was in first place, I had far from the largest file.
In summary, the size of the M file can provide SOME information, but you have to know a lot about the other players in the game to be able to get accurate information from it.
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Re: Which alliance bigger? |
Wed, 30 April 2003 03:21 |
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The M file indicator is flawed.
AR races get next to bugger all messages (no mines, no factories)
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Re: Which alliance bigger? |
Wed, 30 April 2003 12:56 |
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pgarnold | | Petty Officer 3rd Class | Messages: 48
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argusfreak wrote on Tue, 29 April 2003 17:40 | So, more Goff misinformation is revealed. Pilgrim Peace Studies Institute
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Your comments reveal nothing. I said it was an indicator, not a extremely accurate, full proof, actual ranking. One can always find a problem, like the ARs, but then how many ARs are in this game??? You gloss over of the FACTS, serves only to influence the dimwitted, not the supremely intelligent races who cohabit this galaxy with the you.
It is true that someone may be doing something in a given year, more or less, but overall this is a better indicator than listening to the half-truths from the Pilgrim Misinformation Institute. Face it, we all are doing the same kinds of activities each year and I find it very hard to believe that a few minefields will boost the size of an M file more than 50%.
The Citadels finally moved their fleets this year.
No new ships but they chose to defend a planet that was about to be pop dropped. Problem is the fleet is now probably dead behind Fide/VisiGoth lines.
The research goes on for Weapons of Mass Destruction. We should know soon enough the form this terror will take.
We will keep the peace-loving races informed.
Until then, a note to the Pilgrims, our name is VisiGOTHS, not Goff. Simple minded race can't run minelayers and talk at the same time. But I guess that was evident from the comments they have been making.
King Alaric, VisiGoth Empire
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Re: Which alliance bigger? |
Wed, 30 April 2003 13:17 |
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pgarnold | | Petty Officer 3rd Class | Messages: 48
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Raindancer wrote on Tue, 29 April 2003 16:35 |
{not in character}
From what I have seen, the size of the M file is not a good indicator of rank. The M file contains information related to actions of the player. So higher levels of MicroManagement; more items in the build queues, terraforming, laying minefields, remote mining, cargo transfer, ram scoops, etc. will all increase the size of the .M file. Other items included are SCANNING results, number of fleets built, ship designs, and battles, and waypoints set. A race with better scanners knows more about other items in the universe. A race having more battles, and thus also knowing more enemy ship designs will also have a bigger M file. Races with automated cargo transfers and waypoints will have larger M files.
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It has been established by the Knights, as independent observer, the level of activity in the region. I would like to point out that a number of the things you say is true but that this info is then stored in the History file, not in the M file. Updates are of course in the M file. The lack of Citadel activity means a lot must be going on in the Citadel queues such as research, secret building of new warship, etc. I have just only this year detected a new pen scanner scout ship in use by the Citadels, so massive amounts of pen-scanner data can be eliminated as a source of M file size (they are ferret scanners). The Citadels have, for the most part, been hiding behind Pilgrim minefields, have not even combined the same design DD at planets to get stacking advantages for defense. So if they are not attacking on this front as least, not moving warships, they don't have minefields, then what is going on to make their M files so large???
I noticed the Pilgrim Minister of Misinformation (PMM) did NOT challenge me when I stated I was not in the top 3 in ranking. (By the way, that does not automatically mean I am #4. One has to put a cut off in at some point, so I choose 3.) The reason for no response from the PMM is because he knows who is in those positions by observing his ally and his own files.
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Re: Which alliance bigger? |
Thu, 01 May 2003 09:19 |
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pgarnold | | Petty Officer 3rd Class | Messages: 48
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argusfreak wrote on Wed, 30 April 2003 16:46 | Dear Alaugh a Minute of the Goffs
Please do tell the world about your peace loving activities at Mohlodi. And do you fear more WMD at Keplar? Yet neither of these planets are (or have ever been) occupied by The Pilgrims or Citadels. A fact that other neighbouring races will do doubt appreciate.
Pilgrim Liberation Front
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Ahh, you speak of Chyortoid planets. The Chyortoids seen to have this idea that they can take planets anywhere in the galaxy no matter how far away they are. Several examples will illustrate my point: The Chyortoids took Allegro, 490 lyrs. from their home world, in the cluster where we currently fight the Citadel/Pilgrim menace. The Chyorts seemed to be acting in alliance with the ones.
The Chyorts have also taken Mohlodi , 255 lyrs. from their HW, but ONLY 97 lyrs. from the Fide HW. The Fides decided that having an IT race within warp 10 distance of their HW was not a good situation.
Keplar is another situation in which the Chyorts are colonizing a planet 375 lyrs. away from their HW. The planet is only 130 lyrs. from the Fide HW and given the aggressive nature of the Chyorts, it's elimination as an IT base of operations was necessary to protect the innocent Fides.
Let's face the facts, an aggressive IT is not what anyone wants close by due to the ITs special abilities.
Thus you see other neighbors have nothing to fear. There are very good reasons for actions taken by the Fides/VisiGoths.
Hail to the honorable races that defend the peace and seek to destroy WMD.
King Alaric, VisiGoth Empire
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Re: Which alliance bigger? |
Thu, 01 May 2003 12:24 |
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Bugs stay out of silly arguments, but false accusations against Chyortoids not so silly.
Quote: | The Chyortoids seen to have this idea that they can take planets anywhere in the galaxy no matter how far away they are.
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Bugs say: SO? Did Chyortoids break agreement with Fides? Was agreement between Fides and Chyortoids? Fides ask Chyortoid not to colonize before planets colonized? Fides offer Chyortoids something better to leave planets near Fides?
Chyortoids have strong Honor, never broken agreements to Bugs, even when Bugs and Chyortoids disagree.
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given the aggressive nature of the Chyorts
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Long ago, Chyortoids shot down Bug scouts, as Chyortoids had intelligence to send escorts with transports. Chyortoids never purposely attacked Bug ships, or Bug planets. Bug thinks Chyortoid expansion plan toward Bug space lacking and far from aggressive.
Quote: | it's elimination as an IT base of operations was necessary to protect the innocent Fides.
Let's face the facts, an aggressive IT is not what anyone wants close by due to the ITs special abilities.
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Maybe Goths should redefine aggressive. Bugs think colonizing a planet, when not breaking agreement, is not too aggressive. Attacking a planet before other methods is aggressive.
Maybe Chyortoids or Fides can reveal what agreements made?
Big Bug
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Re: Which alliance bigger? |
Mon, 05 May 2003 12:57 |
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pgarnold | | Petty Officer 3rd Class | Messages: 48
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argusfreak wrote on Sat, 03 May 2003 04:07 | "I noticed the Pilgrim Minister of Misinformation (PMM) did NOT challenge me when I stated I was not in the top 3 in ranking. "
We missed the above quote from Alaugh of the Goffs. For the record we are not in the top 3 - if only....
We are happy for our files to be verified by a third party (Ken?)if required.
Pilgrim Defence League
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Ahhh, this is very interesting. Given that the Pilgrims are telling the truth and I know I am. This means there are some about who are indeed in high ranking and hiding out from observation. Who are the mysterious leaders?? Checking on the M file size:
M8 Pilgrims 23 KB
M10 Knights 22 KB
M2 VisiGoths 18 KB
M7 Fides 17 KB
M4 Citadels 15 KB
M9 Bugs 14 KB
M6 Chyortoid 13 KB
M5 {}{}{}{}{ 8 KB
M1 Sixva 7 KB
M3 Rome 7 KB
Looks to me like the Pilgrims or Knights are #1 & #2.
Fides and VisiGoths are #3 & #4.
Citadels, Bugs, and Chyortoids share slots 5-7, though not necessarily in the order given and are very even in power.
We believe the Pilgrims are spreading propaganda once again on their true postion.
Strongly suspect Knights are currently #1, Pilgrims #2.
I ask you to compare your actual position with what would be forcast from the M file size and compare. I would be willing to bet a brand-new-shiny Missle CC that you are within 1 of the rank forecast by the M file. (See Chyortoids to collect your CC, I don't have any. )
King Alaric
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Re: Which alliance bigger? |
Tue, 06 May 2003 02:59 |
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I think you'll find I'm in first place.
I have nubians with Omegas already.
I'm just researchin bio so I can use this Genesis device. I have 2,000,000,000k of resources and almost as much minerals per world.
muhahahahaha
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Re: Which alliance bigger? |
Wed, 07 May 2003 12:21 |
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pgarnold | | Petty Officer 3rd Class | Messages: 48
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A news report from the front of the War for the Southern Cluster.
VisiGoth scout ships this year penetrated deep into Citadel territory to try to discover what the very quiet ones were doing. Much to our we found that very little of anything was being done. In fact their HW ONLY has one lousy DD for defense. The Citadels aren't even building minimal defenses for their HW.
At several other major planets we were able to scan, the same was true, no defensive ships whatsoever.
What is going on you ask
Glad you asked the question
Reports are that the Citadels , in league with the notorious Pilgrims are heavily engaged in research.
The lies about the Citadel M file being large because they were doing so much is all a bunch of hooey, crap, lies, untruths, deceptions, etc.
For the good of your races, please be careful, and do NOT listen to the Pilgrim Misinformation Minister. Facts on the ground speak much louder than the PMM's words.
King Alaric
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