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CA Hab Readings Fri, 16 March 2007 18:23 Go to next message
Dolphin

 
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In my first game, I am playing CA and trying to be everyone's friend. Angel No flaming on that one, please - it is a public post, so what else could I say here? Wink
The main reason for setting everyone to friend so far is actually that it allows me to read their hab ranges. Once I scanned an inhabited planet, Stars! is showing the hab ranges of that race in the planet pane. Yet, I am missing a convenient way for getting from the visual representation to the actual numbers (g, °C, mR ranges). After all, if the program knows the values, should't I be able to see the numbers somewhere? I cannot find a way to have Stars! tell me the numbers. Xtreme Borders is clearly not using that data and its guesses (based on all inhabited planets, even if the pop is dying off) are totally off even after I visited a race's HW. Does anyone know a program that displays scanned hab values?

Dolphin


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Re: CA Hab Readings Fri, 16 March 2007 22:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Iconian is currently offline Iconian

 
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The main reason for setting everyone to friend so far is actually that it allows me to read their hab ranges.


Ok, from there you lost me. Read their hab ranges after you set them to friend? Not that I know of. Stars! does show you the center of their hab range after you've scanned their hw, but that doesn't tell you where the end points of the range are. So when you say the hab ranges are you just talking about the midpoints? Stars! tells you the g, C, and mR midpoints for a planet on the right side of the planet pane. For instance, scan the planet of a Humanoid race and you find out that the hab centers are 1.00, 0, and 50. But finding out the whole range for a race, including what the end points are? I think you'd have to ask them to find out those.



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Re: CA Hab Readings Sat, 17 March 2007 05:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dolphin

 
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Iconian wrote on Sat, 17 March 2007 03:54

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The main reason for setting everyone to friend so far is actually that it allows me to read their hab ranges.


>Read their hab ranges after you set them to friend? [...] So when you say the hab ranges are you just talking about the midpoints? [...] But finding out the whole range for a race, including what the end points are? I think you'd have to ask them to find out those.

Run a testbed as CA and set other players to friendly relations. If you are over their planets, you SEE their whole hab range Shocked just like you see your own over your or uninhabited planets. It is just a bit difficult and time-consuming to get the exact values from that visual representation. I was hoping for a way to make that easier.

Dolphin

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Re: CA Hab Readings Sat, 17 March 2007 22:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Altruist is currently offline Altruist

 
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Dolphin wrote on Sat, 17 March 2007 10:16

It is just a bit difficult and time-consuming to get the exact values from that visual representation. I was hoping for a way to make that easier.


Same question was already raised 2 topics below, see: The CA Crystal Ball

Not that there seems to be an easy way, though.

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Re: CA Hab Readings Sun, 18 March 2007 00:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Iconian is currently offline Iconian

 
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I had no idea CA's have that ability. I don't remember reading anything about it in the manual. I guess that might be helpful in looking for habitable planets for your allies.


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Re: CA Hab Readings Sun, 18 March 2007 00:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's also helpful in knowing what planets those around you are likely to really want and not care about. This can greatly aid you in strategic planning and diplomatic negotiations.

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Re: CA Hab Readings Sun, 18 March 2007 12:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dolphin

 
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Altruist wrote on Sun, 18 March 2007 03:37

see: The CA Crystal Ball

Not that there seems to be an easy way, though.

Thanks. So the question becomes: Does anyone know the exact structure of the m-files? It contains a wealth of information (with more added through deduction/educated guesses) that seems untapped by programs like XBorders, I-Trade, SIR, or Stars Notebook.

Dolphin

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Re: CA Hab Readings Mon, 19 March 2007 15:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One way to figure it out is to make a guess, and then on a colony that isn't 100% or red, calculate what the hab should be, and if it doesn't match what's reported, modify your guess. This is obviously somewhat time consuming, but shouldn't be too bad.

The more colonies you've seen the more accurate you can be. This can also be used by a non-CA that has orbital adjusters, or maybe even the de-terraforming bombs.



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Re: CA Hab Readings Tue, 20 March 2007 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kotk

 
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I think the bands displayed for a planet are about as wide as in race wizard. Just open up the race wizard and play around with it a bit. Even if the match is not exact it is close enough to matter.

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Re: CA Hab Readings Fri, 23 March 2007 11:52 Go to previous message
Dolphin

 
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Kotk wrote on Tue, 20 March 2007 16:48

I think the bands displayed for a planet are about as wide as in race wizard.

Thank you. Very Happy After trying out all the other suggestions, that proved to be the easiest way (no transparent graphics on most of my PCs video cards). The size is exactly the same and with some shifting around I can place the race wizard exactly above the planet window. Using a simple sheet of paper to measure, one can get the exact values (esp. when using the hab center to confirm).
Thanks again,

Dolphin

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