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| Dealing With Conflict |
Thu, 06 February 2003 21:12  |
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 Star Daze |
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Registered: November 2002
Location: Seattle, WA or thereabout... | |
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Any pointers on dealing with negative comments from other players? I understand mud-slinging is part of the game, but when does it go too far?
My situation: I'm currently in a game of Stars! that specified you had to have played in less than 10 PBEM games (this is my first). I've played against the AI and have been browsing StarBaseDelta for months reading the posts and the strategy guide. So when I finally decided to take the plunge, I got a race from the StarBaseDelta race archive and spent two solid weekends modifying it slightly and test-bedding it for the econ/LRTs I wanted.
I understand why players say I did this or that attrocity (especially since I'm in first place with PPS) to gain sympathy from other players but when a player accuses me of being an expert and just joining the game to "newbie bash", to me that crosses the line. Basically, it's like being called a cheater and that really bothers me.
Any hints? Am I too thin-skinned? Should I just ignore the accusations? When do the comments go too far? Any examples from other games you've participated in?
-Star Daze
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| Re: Dealing With Conflict |
Thu, 06 February 2003 21:56  |
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| The Taubat |
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IMHO This has gone too far, so what you are in first place, if you are not in first place than somebody else is, Isnt your fault you researched multi-player games better than they did.
BTW the host should do something since it HIS/HER game, if it dosnt stop I suggest filing a complaint against this/these players.
[Updated on: Thu, 06 February 2003 21:59]
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| Re: Dealing With Conflict |
Thu, 06 February 2003 21:56 |
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| EDog |
 | Lt. Junior Grade |
Messages: 417
Registered: November 2002
Location: Denver, Colorado, USA | |
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| Star Daze wrote on Thu, 06 February 2003 19:12 |
...when a player accuses me of being an expert and just joining the game to "newbie bash", to me that crosses the line. Basically, it's like being called a cheater and that really bothers me.
Any hints? Am I too thin-skinned? Should I just ignore the accusations? When do the comments go too far? Any examples from other games you've participated in?
-Star Daze
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Any expert worthy of the title wouldn't stoop to "newbie bashing." And anyone who accuses someone else of the same is probably so new that they haven't gotten a handle on what I call for lack of a better term "stars culture." The "experts" here (and I hesitate to lump myself into that category because, like Zoid, I prefer to bumble along instead of testbed, calculate, and generally over-numberize) on the forum are really dedicated to improving the game and those who play it by answering questions, discussing (and discussing and discussing and generally beating to death) anything from basic economic strategies to high-level military tactics, and generally educating anyone and everyone. Come on, we'd all love to be experts in this game. Many of us are not, but we strive to be by listening to the recognized authorities. If you're winning your first PBEM, kudos to you! You've obviously learned something about the game. That's nothing to be ashamed of or upset about. You might (tactfully) suggest that the other players spend some time hanging out here as well. For anyone who really wants to learn fast, I recommend getting into a duel (or ten). Even when you lose, it is an educational experience.
I think that the player who is accusing you of "newbie bashing" is grumpy about being beaten more than anything. I wouldn't worry about it unless the insults become vicious and personal. In-game flaming goes on all the time, but it's generally meant in good spirits. There have been players in the past who posted vulgar, vicious, and highly personal insults. Over time, they have been generally blacklisted from games run on Autohost.
Anyway, my cup duly runneth over, and it's time to crack another cold one. Congrats on your first good win - may you have many more (except when I'm playing against you!  )
Philosophically yours,
EDog
http://ianthealy.com
Born, grew up, became an adventurer
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| Re: Dealing With Conflict |
Fri, 07 February 2003 03:12 |
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Since the stars community is fairly fragmented and there are no clear markings of a newbie, beginner, intermediate, or expert it's hard to judge where your skill lies.
I'd say I was an intermediate... but I've only played around 8 or 10 online games (only 2 have finished) and won none (winning one though!!!!). I say intermediate because I've been playing for a few years... but only recently started playing against other people in the community. Sure I've had a few games with friends but generally it's been 3 or 4 humans in a galaxy of 16 races.
In my opinion....
newbie - less than 5 games, no victories.
beginner - less than 10 games or 1 victory
intermediate - less than 30 games or 5 victories
Expert - forget about it, if you've played more than 30 and won more than 5 I think you're an expert.
But then how do you judge someone like Apelord? (sorry to name you!!!) Who by his own admission rarely wins games at best due to him using AR... but the fact he uses AR so well shows a huge degree of ability.
As far as abuse....
If it's race to race (i.e. my race is bigger than yours and i shall crush u like a bug or your facist empire deserves oblivion etc...) then thats ok.
As soon as it becomes personal it aint nice. It's fine and dandy IMHO to say bad things about another race (look at the Partners in time thread, plenty of examples of racial mud slinging) - but if one of these players started to hurl abuse on a personal level (i.e. directed at the player... not the race) then something needs to be done. Black listing is severe. I think 3 strike system would be good... first a warning, then if it continues they get ejected from the game, if it continues on a personal level AFTER the game then by god man black list them... downside is proof.
May I suggest if anyone ever has a problem with in game messages of personal abuse they save that turn file seperately and then hand it onto the host with the password so they can see the message. If it's e-mail then save the e-mail and attach it to an e-mail you send to a host.
With a community as small as this one the last thing anyone needs (least of all a newbie) is abuse, quickest way to put someone off playing again.
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| Re: Dealing With Conflict |
Fri, 07 February 2003 11:38 |
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Hiya,
Personally, I wouldn't worry about... take it from me the "advanced" who still plays like a newbie. Rating people based on the num of pbem's which they have played in is fallacious.
Unfortunately, rating players is a very hard task... and for players who have just started it is impossible until they get in the line of fire.
A well-read newbie can give an expert a run for his money even though, looking down his nose he may sniff and say there is no challenge.
I wouldn't worry about it, you aren't newbie bashing, you are learning the game. Always, someone is on top.
regards,
donjon
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| Re: Dealing With Conflict |
Wed, 12 February 2003 14:38 |
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| Strategic |
 | Crewman 1st Class |
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Registered: January 2003
Location: United Kingdom | |
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I don't agree with freakyboy's rating system  I know players who have played just two games, but whom I'd rank as intermediate players. It really depends how seriously you take the game. I don't think you can rate it like that.
In terms of what the player said, I'd agree that it was a bit harsh and out of line, but people sometimes get a bit heated when the disagreements get a bit personal. Only thing that can be done is to ignore it, or attempt to resolve it, depending on your view of the situation.
[Updated on: Wed, 12 February 2003 14:40]
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